Upcoming bug-fix to Ballista

[T3SH]

@Llama8

• You replying to BingoRly about him focussing on one case then deploying your own hyperbole to claim that the build is now unplayable because the AoE is going to be anywhere down to ~40% odd of what it was before which is “completely unplayable”. And that anyone who’s invested “months” (given 1.0 has only been around for a smidge under a month) is probably pushing it a bit but nowhere near as much as the preceding sentence. That part of the post was also by far the longest part, so I think it’s reasonable to suggest that that’s where you were getting emotionally invested in it.

The build. What build? Where did i talk about aoe? I think that you should understand what you are reading before actually writing.

[Llama8]

@T3SH

The build. What build? Where did i talk about aoe?

Given this is a thread about nerfing Ballista because it was scaling radius not area, it’s reasonable to assume that this is what you were talking about.

@T3SH

What if fixing a discovered bug goes on to damage a build with performance completely in line with all the others but which after the fix becomes completely unplayable?

Given that Ballista’s performance isn’t in line with all the others (unless everyone is secretly playing PoE builds that can kill everything on screen in one go) then you go on about it becoming “completely unplayable” post fix/nerf. While you may have been being metaphorical, you’re still talking about “completely unplayable” builds in a thread about a coming nerf/fix to Ballista, so you’re probably thinking that the change is unwarranted or unreasonable. And I still think that that level of hyperbole is doing a disservice to your argument 'cause if I can’t take you seriously, what’s the point in having a proper conversation?

[T3SH]

@Llama8

@T3SH

The build. What build? Where did i talk about aoe?

Given this is a thread about nerfing Ballista because it was scaling radius not area, it’s reasonable to assume that this is what you were talking about.

@T3SH

What if fixing a discovered bug goes on to damage a build with performance completely in line with all the others but which after the fix becomes completely unplayable?

Given that Ballista’s performance isn’t in line with all the others (unless everyone is secretly playing PoE builds that can kill everything on screen in one go) then you go on about it becoming “completely unplayable” post fix/nerf. While you may have been being metaphorical, you’re still talking about “completely unplayable” builds in a thread about a coming nerf/fix to Ballista, so you’re probably thinking that the change is unwarranted or unreasonable. And I still think that that level of hyperbole is doing a disservice to your argument 'cause if I can’t take you seriously, what’s the point in having a proper conversation?

You are assuming instead of reading and understanding. I still have no idea what are you talking about. I was not talking about ballista in that specific post and i wasn’t talking about aoe at all. Your discontinued answers are irrelevant. If you have no patience to read the entire conversation avoid answering in a sloppy manner and making other users look stupid.

[BingoRly]

@T3SH

avoid answering in a sloppy manner and making other users look stupid.

@T3SH

My monkey brain

No worries, bruh, i gotcha.

@T3SH

i wasn’t talking about aoe at all

@T3SH

What was clear as Crystal is that shooting enemies off the screen is not something the game would like to offer players. It breaks almost every aspect of patterns and game design.
It was absolutely enormous aoe, far beyond anything else.

@T3SH

Yeah it’s not balanced. I like to play overpowered builds

Sure, dude, u just agreed that build was unbalanced because of aoe.

Here a bit more, where u talk about aoe

@d4rw1n1s7

the buld is still viable, if you lower the corruption

@T3SH

As it is on 1k hp and not being able to kill all the enemies on the screen? Yeah you have to lower the corruption from 2k to 200-300. I don’t think it’s worth

You are welcome, my friend. Always got ur back

[T3SH]

@BingoRly

@T3SH

avoid answering in a sloppy manner and making other users look stupid.

@T3SH

My monkey brain

No worries, bruh, i gotcha.

@T3SH

i wasn’t talking about aoe at all

@T3SH

What was clear as Crystal is that shooting enemies off the screen is not something the game would like to offer players. It breaks almost every aspect of patterns and game design.
It was absolutely enormous aoe, far beyond anything else.

@T3SH

Yeah it’s not balanced. I like to play overpowered builds

Sure, dude, u just agreed that build was unbalanced because of aoe.

Here a bit more, where u talk about aoe

@d4rw1n1s7

the buld is still viable, if you lower the corruption

@T3SH

As it is on 1k hp and not being able to kill all the enemies on the screen? Yeah you have to lower the corruption from 2k to 200-300. I don’t think it’s worth

You are welcome, my friend. Always got ur back

Hey buddy, i think that there is some quote editing accident in your post. It looks like that something i have never wrote comes by me.
And also, thread and post are 2 different things.

[d4rw1n1s7]

yeah, the whole conversation has long been about your illusion that developers can start nerfing any builds. although they have said that they will only fix higly overperforming builds that are caused by bugs, and that those builds that are mildly overperforming by bugs will be dealt with in case-by-case, and that the rest of ANY builds they will not change during the cycle at all

[BingoRly]

Yeye, i knew you would say that, dunno why other person’s reply was marked as urs, tho i added that you agreed on that statement. Np ^^

[d4rw1n1s7]

@T3SH

What was clear as Crystal is that shooting enemies off the screen is not something the game would like to offer players. It breaks almost every aspect of patterns and game design.
It was absolutely enormous aoe, far beyond anything else.

as far as i remember just that part, the part about

@T3SH

As it is on 1k hp and not being able to kill all the enemies on the screen? Yeah you have to lower the corruption from 2k to 200-300. I don’t think it’s worth

is still there and correct

[T3SH]

@d4rw1n1s7

yeah, the whole conversation has long been about your illusion that developers can start nerfing any builds. although they have said that they will only fix higly overperforming builds that are caused by bugs, and that those builds that are mildly overperforming by bugs will be dealt with in case-by-case, and that the rest of ANY builds they will not change during the cycle at all

this is what they said:

In the case of a bug resulting in a build, skill, or item mildly overperforming, there’s a much less clear stance. From written feedback, it’s a bit clear as to why: What is “mildly” overperforming? Being a bit of a vague categorization, it’s left up to an individuals interpretation.

We have decided in this case to use case-by-case discretion. This would be based on feedback we’re seeing in the community, and just how far the bug results in a power shift. So we may chose to, or not to fix bugs which are ‘mildly’ overperforming mid-cycle and will discuss them as they arise.

It doesn’t look like “will only fix higly overperforming builds”

[Llama8]

And the “I like to play overpowered builds” bit (though TBF, that’s not unreasonable, or uncommon). But just chucking someone else’s text into a quote box rather than highlightning the text & clicking quote does make it harder to reply.

@T3SH

It doesn’t look like “will only fix higly overperforming builds”

That’s why D4w1n never said that. Nor did the devs.

@d4rw1n1s7

although they have said that they will only fix higly overperforming builds that are caused by bugs, and that those builds that are mildly overperforming by bugs will be dealt with in case-by-case

[d4rw1n1s7]

now you don’t read before writing, or just pretend you don’t understand such a small message. ok, fine =)

[T3SH]

by the way lama was answering about a specific post. And i was replying about that.
The rest of the thread is not pertaining.

[Llama8]

But it does support my assertion.

[T3SH]

aaaah i’m really sorry, you are right. I was trying to answer to too many people at the same time. I’m sorry i hope this will not happen again :*

[demonobento]

Somehow reminds me of how people are so scared of Terrorist Acts because they think the government can just call someone a terrorist and arrest them without question asked.

Legit concern though.

[T3SH]

Wildly unbalanced, skip this season?

Im a new player and im feeling discouraged by the widely unbalanced leader boards. Last Epoch Ladders I have a paladin and the best performing paladin is hitting wave 700 however Falconer are hitting wave 3000+ and Warlock 2400+. So I kind of feel like i rolled a handicapped class. I’d consider rerolling but i understand nerfs are coming. It would really suck to invest in a better class just to be nerfed into the ground. Im thinking maybe ill put this game on the shelf until the Endgame is some…

[d4rw1n1s7]

at the moment, the developers show themselves only from the best, “safe” side, giving us the opportunity to express ourselves both on the forum (which we are doing now) and through the survey. i think that when it comes to mildly overperforming builds caused by bugs, we will always have the opportunity to discuss the problem and even contribute to its resolution

[demonobento]

I am actually happy with what they are doing. I will buy another supporter pack if they do go ahead and fix the Ballista. I was one of those people who voted for nerfing even if it’s not bug, for overly op builds, lol.

But I can understand the concerns of the people who are against bug-fixes that have a nerfing effect. Definitions for some of the terms involving this topic are just too “subjective”, and the way they left some of the bugs unfixed from a while ago doesn’t help reassuring people that they won’t use bugfixes as a nerfing excuse mid-cycle.

[TheRealKraggy]

@Zorlak

I’d think you’d be better off just saying we are nerfing ballista.

I think you’d be better off learning the difference between a circle’s radius and its’ diameter since this BUG was clearly using the wrong one!

[T3SH]

@TheRealKraggy

@Zorlak

I’d think you’d be better off just saying we are nerfing ballista.

I think you’d be better off learning the difference between a circle’s radius and its’ diameter since this BUG was clearly using the wrong one!

Go back to school ignorant! :'D