seems to me there are way to many things you have to try and build against to not die all the time. seems to me the nerf to ward was way to much. cloth builds should not be looking at armor as a means to get more defense. ward is what should make up for that.
same for plate classes should not be looking at ward for extra to stay alive.
have to cap it all at 75% and still dont fell like its doing anything to stop me from getting hammered by what im capped to. 100% crit avoid and i still get slammed with crit. 3k health and 4k ward boom 1 shot to cold and i have 125% cold res. dots are out of control and way to strong for what little you can see them on the ground.
seems a bit much to me to just stay alive in a low level corr.
maybe we need more explanation on what stats really stop and less of the complicated junk. or just make less def stuff do more. the top 10% of players will always be in that range of going nuts. if there is no new gear for them above corp 300 then its just for them to say they can. good for them. give the rest of us a reason to want to push and see all the content.
if 10% of your players are seeing all the content then you are wasting you time building a game.
There are way more defensive mechanics than you can possibly invest in/cap out yes.
But that is a good thing, so you have to make some choices.
Your distinction betwen âclothâ and âplateâ classes simply doesnât exist in LE.
Yes Sentinel is a high armor class and mage is a low armor class generally speaking, both classes have options to invest into other thigns as well.
As a Mage you can go crazy with armor if you want and reach even higher armor values than the average Sentinel Build if you do it right. That is just an option though.
At the same time there are Sentinel and Rogue builds that can utilize ward as a additional layer of defense and sustain (not talking about full low health/ward builds here).
Having capped or close to capped resistance is not really anythign that will make you âtankyâ. It is a bare minimum you should achieve and beyond that you will need additional defensive layers
Then you are not crit avoidance capped.
Those health and ward numbers donât mean anything if we donât have any other stats to go with. Without any DR or other defenses these numbers could not be that much. With proper other defensive layers it should be enough to survive most attacks, even some more lethal telegraphs.
But some attacks are not meant to be tanked, even with very tanky builds.
Also being overcapped so much on cold resistances doesnât do much inherently.
I really enjoy DoTâs in LE now. Since the latest enemy balance patch(1.1.3) which addressed a lot of different enemies, and also a lot of DoT abilities specifically I really think its in a really good and fair spot.
Yes & no, IMO, the complexity/number of things you âneedâ to fit in makes it more interesting.
Oh hell no. The eHP from ward shouldnât be orders of magnitude more than that of hp. Certain skills were allowing far too much ward to be generated far too quickly which allowed it to stack too high (& be replaced too quickly) compared to that of red HP.
Why? For thematics? Sure, but Iâd rather a more interesting set of skills that allows one to change things up from time to time if you wish.
No, either youâre not crit capped or youâre not getting crit.
Overcapped resists donât really do much for you other than allowing you to ignore the resist shred. If youâre talking about your Static Orb character, youâve got ~1.4k hp & I donât want to try & work out how much your stable ward is in combat.
Actually, all you need to stay alive in low level corruption is decent sustain.
Four pillars of defense:
HP total
Resistances
Damage Reduction
Healing aka. Sustain
Ward is âHP totalâ, so âclothâ builds should absolutely be looking for Damage Reduction sources.
You didnât even mention Sustain in your post, so Iâll take a wild guess and say you forgot about sustain, and thatâs why you die. Just like many players before you
I think this is the biggest gripe new players have. Itâs not intuitive at all that capping your resistances at 75 and being in a lv 75 area = 0 resistances. No other game works like this that I know of and was always a bug head scratcher for me.
Edit: I think thereâs a tooltip that mentions it? But if I didnât know from the forums or seeing it somewhere I would absolutely assume that my 75% fire res was reducing fire damage by 75% lol
The thing is, with how this work it is a positive, not a negative, because it makes the system much much more lenient and waaaaay less punishing.
Having close to capped resistances, but not quite capped them it totally acceptable and sometimes even better if you get other defenses instead of capping it.
These âmandatory gear budget statsâ are sometimes annoying, but basically every game simialr to Diablo, LE, Grim Dawn or PoE has them, because it just gives your affix choices a bit more friction and choices that you have to make.
Yes, this is very confusing for me also.
I never really fully understood what it means, but when you hover any resistances in-game, it says:
âEnemies penetrate 1% resistance per area level, up to 75%. This penetration applies after the resistance cap, so extra resistance above 75% has no effect unless enemies shred your resistance.â
So I just know 75% is maximum I can get. Still no clue about the monsters pen thing part, or rather what it actually means.
I think it means that if you have 150% resistance, being in an area level 75 zone means you have 0 resistance to that enemies attacks. But if they Shred resistances, you have that extra 75% buffer before you start getting into the effectively negatives.
So situation 1) you have 150% resistance, lv 75 area will Penetrate 75% of your capped resistance (effective 0% resistance).
Situation 2) you have 150% resistance, the enemy shreds 76% resistance, you have 74% remaining. The area level is 75, so the enemy Penetrates 75%, giving you effectively -1% resistance.
What it means is that going from 0% to 1% resistance means 1% damage reduction. And going from 10% to 11% means a 1% damage reduction. And going from 74% to 75% means a 1% damage reduction. Likewise, increasing your maximum resistances from say 75% to 80% means a 5% damage reduction. And if you managed to reach 98% maximum resistance and increased it to 99%, itâs still 1% damage reduction.
So in LE, each % in resistance equals the same % in damage reduction for that type.
This is completely different from other games because resistance has a much heavier weight to defenses.
For example, in PoE going from 74% to 75% resistances is actually a 4% damage reduction. Likewise, going from 75% to 86% is a 78% increase in reduction.
And ultimately, if you had 98% resistance and increased it to 99% resistance, it would be a 50% damage reduction.
Scipo already explained what shredding does, but I just want to add that if you have exactly 75%, this means that you have an effective 0%. If an enemy shreds 20% youâre left with -20% and this means itâs just a 20% damage increase, which would have been a lot more in PoE.
Basically, what LE has done is to make resistances actually easy to figure out and, more importantly, not really mandatory to cap. You can easily have 70% resistances and youâll only be taking 5% more damage.
Thanks for the detailed explanation, made it way easier to comprehend.
I kinda already knew how it functionally works after all these years, the problem is that itâs really not at all intuitive and easy to get to that conclusion just by reading that text alone.
I might be pendatic here, but you should word this the other way around and say going from 75% to 74% in LE means taking 1% more damage
And in PoE going from 75% to 74% means taking 4% more damage
If you say it the other way around like you did it would actually not be exactly 1%/4% respectively but instead would be 0,99% DR/3,846% DR respectively
A while ago I made this table which shows very elegantly the difference in incoming damage based on different resistances values between LE and other games like PoE/Grim Dawn
No, youâre technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.
One good way to think about shred and areas is simply that areas shred your resistances. Each area level shreds 1% of your resistance, up to 75%.
The effect is pretty much the same. If you have 0% resists in a level 75+ area, your effective resistance is -75%. If a mob shreds 20%, youâre left with -95% (dunno if thereâs a negative cap). If you have 50% resists, area will shred you down to -25%, etc.
For me personally it ainât as much a stat problem as much as it is a gear is not that impactful problem.
Having only four affix options is very limiting at low to mid game, and having 2 affix uniques is not impactful enough where enemies scale up to high numbers and you canât meaningfully reduce it anymore.
The last epoch devs in general need to rework the gear system entirely. As the roll on affixes system was fine for beta as a placeholder system. But not as a final product.
More affixes will not help at all, quite the opposite, without any major adjustments it would only homoginize builds, because they are not enough affixes to keep meaningful choices.
Giving more affixes would require massive overhauls of many game systems, all of which would have rippling efffects.
Crafting, Forging Potential, Legendary Crafting, Glyphs, Runes, everything would need major adjustments or reworks.
All of that to fix issues that are not there.
Why is having âonlyâ 4 affixes (technically even 5 for endgame options with sealed affixes) limiting? It is way more than enough to make buidls distinct.
Fun Fact: We had 6 Affixes waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, even though it was a very different game back then.
Your right that it wonât fully fix it as the build variety is very linear unless itâs a +4 to a skill in which case it can change a lot but that is restricted to very few gear parts. In some cases there are no enough nodes to change the skill either, so I end up cranking a node a bit to make it do more damage.
Would be neat if I could have a +20 to profane veil. That would be very funny indeed. That or a +20 to lich form
It is though, compared to having 0 fire res. That mobs get resist pen up to 75% isnât actually as important as some people think it is. The important thing (for new players) is that you cap it as well as getting other defences. Surely PoE has been out for long enough to teach people that you donât just cap resists & then go direct to red maps without anything else?
Youâre assuming that if they put it back to 6 affixes that theyâd keep the values the same. They could easily reduce the values so that your total stat budget was the same but youâd âjustâ (& itâs not a small thing) have more granularity.
Plus itâd have a negative impact on legendaries.
Not really, everybody would take every node & there would be no variance at all.
I have a much simpler way to think about resistance penetration.
Resistance penetration from area level is automatically always there, you cannot get rid of it - unlike in other games, where you just stack more resistances. So basically, our âresistance penetration from area levelâ is just a fancy name for âarea level increases monster damageâ - the same effect corruption has.
And if you didnât have resistances, your base resistances would be -75.
Itâs actually very common - for example Diablo 2, Grim Dawn, Path of Exile, all lower your base resistance below zero.
On 1.0 Launch, some people were just hyper-focused on the existence of res penetration from area level, to the point where several rumors were created. For example, some people considered resistances useless - an obviously wrong assumption But itâs actually not important at all. Having resistances still equals less damage taken compared not having resistances. Just like in all ARPGs.
All a new player needs to know is that:
you want to cap all resistances - just like in most other games
going above the cap is pointless - unlike most other games
We donât really have to tell new players that once in a blue moon there will exist a mob that has shred or death mark, where overcapping res is actually useful. 99% of the time they wonât fight it.
There is a big difference between both, though. Resistance penetration from area level has a cap of 75, monster damage doesnât.
Yes, but in D2 or PoE you look at your character sheet and it says -20. LE says 50 but you actually have -25. Thatâs why he said itâs not intuitive.
No, thereâs no difference Itâs literally the same thing:
âResistance penetration from area levelâ caps at area level 75
âIncreased monster damage from area levelâ caps at area level 75.
Would you prefer to see a 0% rather than 75% in your character sheet?
Iâm pretty sure youâd get topics with people saying the zero is not intuitive, because they are wearing this ring with resistances, and despite that their character sheet says zero or negative
Ah, that was you rephrasing, I thought you were just comparing with regular monster damage increase from corruption. Got it.
Either is unintuitive. That was the point. LEâs system is great but is unintuitive simply because it goes counter to player expectations from over 2 decades of games doing it differently.
Though itâs unintuitive only as a new player. You then learn how it actually works and you adapt and, usually, you like this method better because itâs more forgiving.
Itâs literally the same thing: