Passive Node Ideas - Rogue

I also don’t like guns in general. What i really miss in Grim Dawn, as much as i love this game, are bows and that’s one of the big reason i don’t like range characters there, even though i’m always playing Range builds in any other Arpg.

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I would love for there to be some similarities with the Falconer and the Falcon Mastery from Ragnarok Online. I guess the best way to relate it into LE would be an Aspect of the Falcon node. Something like;

While active, your falcon does an AoE attack focused on the target hit by your arrow. Maybe 10% per point, capping at 100%.

Could also have one side of the tree focusing on the falcon. Increasing its damage, falcon attacks causing some sort of negative effect like slow, blind, bleed, armor shred, etc.

The other side of the tree could focus on your bow attacks. Increased attack speed, increased damage, slow, bleed, etc.

Middle of the tree could focus on dodge and move speed and acrobatics like skills. Would be great if they could get a skill that lets them roll or dash to evade big attacks or just as a movement skill.

Skills like;
Multishot. It could be modified to have each arrow fire consecutively in a line, or for them to pierce.
Homing Arrow, Elemental Arrow, etc.

falconer:
rip eyeball: sends your falcon to the target to rip out their eyeball. Applies blind for 4 seconds. Does not work on skeletons.

Bird of Prey: Marks the enemy for death. Other minions prioritize this enemy.

carrion bird: Your bird feasts on a corpse, destroying it and gaining 50% damage for 6 seconds.

Bird vision: Your bird is highly trained in the art of looking for loot. It comes with a configuration menu where you can teach the bird exactly which loot you want it to highlight. Tiers, affixes and item types are all configurable. Only loot the bird sees shows up. All other loot is trash, and you know it.

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If it hasn’t been said before, Bladedancer should totally have a weapon mastery type node. It’s in the name “blade dancer”. It’s important to know what kind of blade you’re dancing with, and dancing the way that blade dances. For example, maybe something like:

If you’re wielding a mace, +X% increased chance to stun on melee hit, if you’re wielding an axe, +X% chance to cause X% weapon damage as bleed over X seconds, if you’re wielding a sword, +X% critical chance, etc.

You could even differentiate between 1 handed and 2 handed, that way if you want to build a dual-wield Bladedancer it’s viable to have 2 different weapon types, or if you want to build a 2 handed Bladedancer, you can still do so with a different main affect from this node.

Not really a passive node but I had an idea for a defensive layer for rogue characters.
Assuming rogues rely more on dodge than other classes, then they would still need a way to survive heavy hitting attacks for that 20-30% of times they don’t dodge. To offer an alternative to having to split resources on ward/protections and dodge you could introduce an ability that provides either 100% dodge chance for a short time period or a 100% chance to dodge the next X numbers of hits.

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I know at some point you will be adding dual wielding to the game. Will you be adding dual mini crossbows? At least for the Rogue!

Thinking maybe of having a passive node, which you must select so you can use dual crossbows! Rather than being a class feature. This node would be in the Marksman skills!

Specifically for the Bladedancer, I am very hopeful that there will be some sort of ‘Stealth’ or ‘AOE Blind’ ability to fit the fantasy of the class. Something similar to Cloak of Shadows in D2, which greatly reduced the visibility and ‘aggro’ range of enemies. With an ability like this, the Bladedancer could then focus on attacking a single enemy assassin-style, stacking poison and bleed, and then using another ability to spread those ailments to other enemies.

Every other class is focused on AOE abilities hitting everything at once, it would be really cool if the Bladedancer focused on one enemy and then spread ailments to aid in their clearing.

Untouchable

With every kill she gets very small bonus until cap. When she is hitted by anything, bonus resets. Every point in this node increases cap. For bonuses I suggest movement and cast/attack speed.

I’m hoping there will be a potion based mastery.

Chance to drop potion when hitting rare enemies?

Or if thats too good, maybe a channeling skill that makes a potion every second

Forge Guard has 2 potion-related passives.

:slight_smile: And some other kitchen-related skills/passives…

The forge guard passives seem out of place. Feels like it will make more sense in a ranger tree. Plus two passives hardly makes it a ‘potion based’ mastery. The Jungle Queen unique belt needs a user!

Hello guys,
I tried to skim through the massive wall of text and couldn’t find this, so now I’m just putting it out there, and am sorry for if its a duplicate:

A marksman node which changes an otherwise autoattack ability into a rooted barage ability.
So basically there could be something like “fire arrow” and then a node in that tree changes it to being a cast that roots you in place while channeling and then fires a barrage of small hits in a generel direction.
It just gives that nice feel of being able to blast away your oponents and its an option I always enjoy to build around on ranger like characters.

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I want nodes that make rogue deal lots of poison hit damage , and can proc other main skills that do hit damage, just like lightning blast flame reave/enchant weapon/static/acendency skills in mage, while making the rogue more squishy, with no other down sides. so you can zoom zoom monolith, but struggle in arena.

I want rogue to be poison king.

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Bladedancer
I’m expecting/suggesting a Knife thrower idea based on melee follow-up
You start combat with a few knife throw the stick blades inside target, then you do a melee attack that deal more damage based on how many knife is in the target.

Add in a dash/teleport skill to an Impaled creature with “on kill cooldown reset” specialization.

Minion fight:
Throw Knives (As much as you can) -> Dash/Teleport in (Apply some extra debuff) -> Powerfull Melee attack (Scale with impaled knives) -> Repeat until everyone is dead (Hopefully not you)

Boos Fight:
Throw Knives (As much as you can) -> Dash/Teleport in (Apply some extra debuff) -> Powerfull Melee attack (Scale with impaled knives) -> Activate Evade buff for 1 sec (With 5 second cooldown) so you can run away -> Repeat until boss is dead

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I think you just describe the Nightblade from Grim Dawn (Phantasmal Blades + Shadow Strike), that I really like. It would be cool to see that in LE.

For Marksman:

I like the idea that a marksman should have a skill that can spec his arrow (like a basic auto attack) or at least a skill base on his weapon (Bow or Crossbow) so here i am

-Arrow spread (Shoot a single arrow that separate when hit an enemy and spread on nearest enemy)

-Velocity Arrow (Pull the mob in the area where the arrow hit)

-Impact Arrow (Pull back enemy on hit)

-Large Arrow (Shoot larger arrow that damage enemy in line)

-Snake Arrow (Shoot snake instead of Arrow that damage nearest enemy)

-Infinite Arrow (Shoot arrow that can return to the quiver damaging enemy on his way back)

-Cloud Arrow (Shoot an arrow that can summons a cloud on hit who shoot X number of arrow on the area)

-Bait Arrow (Shoot a bait on a arrow that Woke up the hunger of animals) <= the idea is to summons a pack of wolf for certain amount of time or bird or even worm idk but i think its more clear if i explain here

-Illusory Arrow (Arrow no longer deal damage instead it pass through enemy… Enemy explode when a certain amount of illusory arrow have hit them)

-Thread Arrow (Arrow now can be threaded together damaging enemy while they walk on the thread) <= here again idk if im clear enough so my idea is to on hit arrow can be threaded with a thin thread (limited to a certain amount of arrow that refresh at every new arrow) That can cut the enemy while they walk on it

-Atlatl Throw (No longer use a bow or crossbow instead use an atlalt to throw giant arrow) <= i advise you guys to see what is an atlalt i really think that it can be fun on a node or… it can clearly be a weapon short range but piercing effect are real with that

For now i will stay on that much i’ll come back when i have more idea about arrow of course i just describe the effect im not talking about balance and damage or affliction here im just talking about what the skill should do… Also i will not talk about “Fire arrow explosive arrow freezing arrow” thats something evryone think off when they talk about Marksman…

MARKSMAN

Frozen tipped arrows

a ice tipped arrow that deals cold damage and has chance to bounce to a nearby enemy depending on your chill chance each sucessive bounce reduce the chance of bouncing again by 20% but each sucessive bounce does 10% more damage. if the arrow doesn’t bounce it shatters and deals increased cold damage equal to half your chance to chill.

  • keen sight
    each sucessive bounce your ice freezes time and give you 2% increased attack speed for 4 seconds stacking up to a maximum of 30%.

  • retrieve
    arrows can now rebound off of you but no longer shatters each time they hit you reduce your armor by 2% /1%/0.5% for 4 seconds up to a maximum of -30%.

  • shattered dreams
    arrows bounce is no longer based on chill chance and bounces a maximum of 1 times but always shatter at the last bounce and shatter area is increased by 30-60-90%

  • immolate
    bouncing arrow and shatter damage is converted to fire and chance to bounce is now based on ignite chance. every sucessive bounce increases ignite chance and damage by 10%/20%/30%/40% instead of damage.

Rigged Arrows
shoot arrows rigged with explosives that sticks to the ground or an enemy then detonate them when the time is right dealing fire damage in a radius from the arrows shot. shoot an already rigged target to detonate all the arrows.

  • timed blast
    the arrows now detonate after a 3 seconds timer instead and can no longer be triggered by shooting the same target twice and ignite on the initial hit.

  • magnetic charge
    rigged arrows no longer stick to the ground and damage is converted to lightning. targets are now pulled towards one another and discharge a lightning blast in the radius when they reach each others. (blast happens after 4 seconds if no other targets are hit)

  • energized
    targets hit with magnetic charge are now bursting with electricity damaging targets in their path.

BLADEDANCER

Moon slash
a melee slash so quick and precise it sends an air wave forward in an arc after 2 seconds dealing physical and lightning damage.

  • flurry
    moon slash wave now fires instantly but only deal slightly reduced damage.

  • full moon
    moon wave no longer hits at range but hits in a circle around you instead. it no longer deals physical damage and deals 5/10/15/20/25 base lightning damage.

  • moon glow
    when you hit with full moon you leave a soothing reflection on the ground of the same size as full moon area that increases life regeneration for you and your allies by 20/40/60 per seconds as long as they stand in the reflection.

the numbers are really just place holders i gtg so ill finish adding ideas at another time :sweat_smile:

That’s exactly what i thought about the falconer and why i opened this thread to read. :nerd_face:
I would do it somehow like this:

  1. Falconer Mastery Bonus: You become one with your Falcon.
    → Your Falcon is allways there and don’t need to be cast.
    → Your Falcon can Lunge (try any fancy kind of movement attack for the Falcon here) and melee attack with his claws. (He can much more later with the right skills which are all there for you AND the Falcon. [and some of them for MP too])
    → Your Falcon has the same char stats as you have.
    → If your Falcon dies, you die. (while all things like potions, regen, heal, ect working for both of you :fairy: )

  2. Falconer Skill: Falcon Nest
    → You say where your Falcon shall build his nest. (falcon flies to target location, when his nest appears) 10 Seconds cooldown, you can have 1 nest at time. If your falcon is in range (10 m) of the nest, it spawns a permanent babyfalcon (minion with 10 % of all char stats you and your falcon have) every 4 seconds. You can have 2 babyfalcons.

  3. Falconer Skill: Swoop!
    → At your command ALL falcons Swoop! at the nearest enemy. 4 seconds cooldown.

  4. Falconer Skill: Emergency munch.
    → You and your falcon consume a babyfalcon to regain health and mana over time for 5 seconds. 20 seconds cooldown.

  5. Falconer Skill: Falcon Song Toggle.
    → If on skillbar, you can toggle between 10 % falcon attack speed or 15 % movespeed (yours).

  6. Falconer Skill: Hatch out.
    → You release another babyfalcon. (among other things max babyfalcon increase within this skill)
    maybe funny skillpoint → you can target partymembers. With left click another babyfalcon will follow him (up to 3), with right click another babyfalcon will withdraw and follow you again.

  7. Falconer Skill: Transform to a Griffin.
    → Your falcons are impressed by you and gain 50 % base chance to crit and 50 % MORE health.
    → On Griffin Form you loose all your resistances and gain 50 % movement speed.

  8. Falconer Skill: Peck!
    → You do a fast melee peck (requires 2 handed weapon). Halves damage, doubles attack speed.

Certainly for all these skills (hopefully more coming soon) are skilltrees needed, maybe someone could imagine what kind of… :thinking: …it could be on each case. Suggestions are welcome.

I would love to see an option to play with Ningu’s (like ninja’s) with rogue.
Throwing does sharp projectiles with attack speed in a spreaded area would be really cool and unique in an arpg like this! I think it really fits the style of play of the blade dancer

For Falconer, I don’t know… Maybe renaming into Huntress then adding some more pets (Falcon, Fox and Viper) and then add Throw Net as a starter Skill (very useful for root enemies in place) and then add lots of bonuses towards Pets no matter if player character is Melee or Ranged