Monster damage seems a little high

[Zaodon]

Just linking some other posts on this:

Crystal Lotus is stupid OP

Yeah I died to the last boss on my sentinel at least 5 times. I had to go back and craft and change up passives and even then it was still rough.

Damage in latter parts of Chapter 9 a bit high

Finished the chapter! The new monsters that stood out to me as unusually lethal: Ambushes (hitting 30 stacks means I sure don’t have any poison resist anymore!) Scalebane Rogues (as mentioned, damage came too fast and too hard to outrun) Diamond Matrons (the ability to heal on top of making me run around to dodge instantly-lethal Void Beams means that I can easily lose any progress in killing them - god help me if they’re Of The Ox) Crystal Lotus (shockwave attack nearly instantly lethal at me…

Is Majasa overtuned?

Just won against Majasa after multiple rip. It is awesome fight btw, but can’t help but feel she is overtuned. Not in term of damage. Her damage are huge and the mechanic are avoidable with enough move speed. On the other hand, her res shred component are OP. I notice poison stack, armor shred stack, and physical res shred stacks up very quickly and ramp up her damage. It makes playing melee against her miserable as after a few sec of hitting her, we have to run away and wait til the stack ends.…

[insidius_13]

Gorgons are my new hated mob above Sirens. They pop outta the ground and do quite a bit of dps. Was running 90 monos and anything from Chapter 9 hits hard. Scarabs puncture can take you out quick and off screen you. Rare gorgons? or medusas with “allies take less dmg” mod just suck. Those mods sucked in POE and they suck here. Especially since they twin at half hp most of the time and you have 2 of those running around and casting giant fire beams that hit hard. Then any rogue that joins in becomes a bigger pain to kill.

I was messing around on my totem shaman so at least I have a shield and Eterra’s Blessing to cleanse and heal. I do not see how mage or rogue are going to do well with these new mobs. They can shift quicker than you and gang up to drop your hp quick. I honestly think I am just going to shelf my rogue(s) I had been leveling after dealing with Chapter 9 on my 55ish marksman and having a bad time. It seems somewhat clear that the devs want you to take a heal and/or cleanse with you now as regular defensive layers are not going to cut it…especially if this is any indication of the direction of future mobs.

[HendrikZ]

I thinks its multiple reasons why it now feels kinda bad in some cases, they removed quite a bit of recovery here and there, the new monsters hit like a truck and there is so much barely avoidable damage that you get chipped away quite fast. So they need to give players tools (on every class) to work around it.

[Cullonde82]

i already had prepatch the one shot problematic and it has gotten a bit worse now, max allres is not the key, but only part of it. I have to test more. in any case, movement is also a big part. Unfortunately, at the moment I don’t have the amount of time that I would like to have to test and I also need much longer for everything because of my creepy knowledge of English

[Zaodon]

added another linked thread above

[vapourfire]

Ok. Been messing with Monos with a rebuilt VK for a few runs and I would have to agree that there seems to be a distinct gap between old mobs and chapter 9 mobs in terms of their general tankiness…

It definitely seems to me (obviously subjective opinion here) that the chapter 9 mobs take longer to deal with… For me its most obvious in Monos where there is a mix of old and new mobs… its an extra hit here or there (@ Lvl 75) for the new mobs vs the old ones…

I havent pushed lvl 100s while rebuilding my chars so I am unsure on their damage potential but at lvl 75 I am not seeing what I would interpret as a 30% increase in damage… It does take longer to kill them meaning they get more chances at hitting the char (and doing more damage) but I am on the fence about them having substantially more damage…

With the VK build (definitely not tanky enough yet) I have purposely tried to tank the gorgons & matrons etc to see what happens but I am not getting heavily damaged beyond what I would expect… I am full resist, full crit avoid and at about 65% armour…

In my opinion, I havent nearly done enough comparison on other chars/builds so I could be talking crap but thats these are my initial impressions on this topic…

[SigmaQ]

I am pretty sure crystal elemental(lightning) can shotgun at its center as well. Pretty devastating for warpath users that always like to pass through enemies. Has died multiple times reflex warpath lunging to that enemy. On ,nother note, its cast speed without CD is too high.

There is also noticable fps drop when multiple crystal elemental (lightning) spamming their skill. Similar to the ice barrage by frost elemental.

[XLVI_carpo]

There were adjustments made to difficulty scaling that make the monos harder at baseline. The modifiers don’t scale that hard now in exchange.

@Aluxaeterna

Endgame Balance

Aims

• Mitigate the feeling that early Monolith is significantly easier than Chapter 8/9.
• Fix enemies from Chapter 7 and beyond being notably more dangerous in endgame than other enemies.
• Shift power away from echo mods and towards base monster power and core corruption scaling.
• Fix Fall of the Outcasts and other early timelines being easier to farm when empowered than other timelines due to slower mod scaling and lower mod duration.

Changes

• Monsters receive a greater bonus to health and damage from level 40 onwards:
  • At level 60 monsters have 3.2% more health and 6.2% more damage.
  • At level 80 monsters have 3.8% more health and 5.1% more damage.
  • At level 100 monsters have 3.7% more health and 6.0% more damage.
• Chapter 7, 8, and 9 monsters have had their base health and damage reduced so that the above change has a net zero effect on them during the campaign.
  • In endgame they will be slightly stronger than before, but not to nearly the same extent as enemies from earlier chapters.
• Echoes now roll mods with durations of 3 to 6 at maximum (from 5 to 8).
• Echo mod power now scales much more slowly with corruption.
• Echo mod power now scales slightly more slowly with distance from the origin.
• Echo mod duration and power scaling is now the same across all timelines at mid to high corruption.
• The bonuses corruption grants to monster damage, monster health, experience gain, and increased rarity now scale more linearly with corruption:
  • At corruption 100 and below there is no change.
  • At corruption 200 these bonuses are now 100% (from 95%).
  • At corruption 400 these bonuses are now 190% (from 166%).
  • At corruption 800 these bonuses are now 333% (from 270%).

[Zaodon]

@Aluxaeterna

Monsters receive a greater bonus to health and damage from level 40 onwards:

• At level 60 monsters have 3.2% more health and 6.2% more damage.
• At level 80 monsters have 3.8% more health and 5.1% more damage.
• At level 100 monsters have 3.7% more health and 6.0% more damage.

I was not seeing only 5-6% difference, that would not have made such a dramatic difference. There’s something greater. I suspect maybe a configuration setting is off somewhere and its higher than the patch notes describe.

[SigmaQ]

Gee, I don’t think it is a modifier issue. The base monster spec is a problem+enemy grouping.

Just finish running like a headless chicken in LVL60 verdant outskirt map. There are so many diamond and gorgon in that map. The mob group is either 1 diamond+3 gorgon or 3-4 gorgon cluster. They are also located next to each other so when I kite and avoid the huge beam and tornado, I attract another cluster. End up kiting maybe 10+ diamond and gorgon around the map. Their enemy mods are sometimes ridiculous too, I saw frenzy, twin, revive, shorter cooldown, higher damage when approached, rampant etc. Oh yea, forgot to mention it is also a spire map(only 2 “luckily”). Tornadoes, lightnings from unknown mob, satellite beams, and explosions everywhere. I am 8 lvl above the map but can’t complete it as a melee char.

Gonna stop playing until the balance patch. Currently it is hard to enjoy. Also, S
some enemy like the diamond should have mod restriction such as the shorter cd mod.

[XLVI_carpo]

Yeah. But keep in mind that it is “more damage” that is multiplicative with the monolith modifiers.

The base damage of the new mob types seems to be higher, though.

As many have already stated, they are really deadly in endgame.

Maybe you haven’t noticed, but the new mobs have different mechanics depending on if you engage them at range or melee. Range has become less easy.

[Revelasti]

I was one of the people that complained it was way too easy before. Only time I’ve gotten one-shot since patch is when I didn’t have any res and it was a slam from a boss, which is on me. I’m still cruising through the monos, underleveled, and it’s going okay here. I prefer it to be a challenge, because if it’s too easy it’s just a tedious grind to go deeper. Before the patch you could do empowered at lvl 80…

[Zaodon]

So, to be clear here:

1. Same Monolith as pre-patch with same modifiers (maybe around 30 or 35% extra damage mods, 0 corruption, non-empowered)
2. Old monsters (dealing void, physical, cold fire, etc.) not new monsters
3. Low-Life Ward builds which are both melee.

This eliminates new mobs, poison damage (not enough resists), and nerf to Leech idols, as none of those things apply. There should be, according to the patch notes, a mere 5-6% damage increase to these two characters from the old mobs. Not “0.8.2: I’m fine face tanking pack after pack” → to → “0.8.3: rapidly killed”.

[XLVI_carpo]

Ok. Im not saying, I don’t believe you.

I just felt the same when I relogged onto an old char and tested some stuff. I got wrecked. Then I realised I hat a complete passive reset. After respeccing my passives, I still felt that it was more difficult than before the patch.

But not as dramatic as you describe here. Maybe this is build dependant. Or there are bug that cause this but not for everybody equally.

I would expect there to be an overwhelming rant from all over the forum if there were such hard hitting global increases of difficulty.

Currently there are a few people that report these issues. Maybe its build related and a result of nerfs of specific skills/passives.

[Think0028]

There are rants all over the forum - check the threads linked above, and some others in General and Feedback as well. This definitely isn’t an isolated feeling.

[Zaodon]

1st character: Lich, Level 100 (LE Beta 0.8.3) - Last Epoch Build Planner
2nd character: Spellblade, Level 100 (LE Beta 0.8.2i) - Last Epoch Build Planner

1st has reduced DPS from patch, but no changes to defense.
2nd has no changes from patch at all.

[alexandre_avion]

I also had this impression the mobs hurt much more than before more than what the patch indicates .

[d3viant]

CRYSTAL ELEMENTALS are still WAY OP vs 95% of all other monster types, they need a NERF

[insidius_13]

All of these mobs have already seen adjustments in the prior patch(es). If you are still having trouble, it’s either

1). a build issue where you aren’t doing enough dps or have enough defenses
2). a learn to play issue and learn how to dodge or kill them fast
3). a get good issue

Seriously, they are a joke now compared to how they were when released. I’ve played 2 new alts through the campaign since the nerfs and you rarely get multiple stacks of shock or poison unless you are standing still or training mobs.