In terms of speed when getting BiS no that will never happen.
CoF does need improvements on its late game gear progression once ur in that range of hunting for BiS in CoF it falls flat.
Improving the BiS item hunt for CoF has plenty of room to improve.
On a scale of 1-10.
If MG is say a 10 and cof is around a 5-6 theres plenty of room to get CoF closer to 8-9. This gap needs to be brought closer together. Which is what iv been getting at
CoF shouldn’t be as good as trading especially in a trading/loot hunting game. What needs improvements is actual trading so ARPG players want to start playing LE. Remove MG faction just have open trade. Have 1 single NPC for a great Auction house where you can search everything easily. CoF right now is fine.
Wont ever happen.
Yes it should. Will it be as fast as MG when it comes to BiS no it wont be
Cof is ment to not punish players for not trading late game in CoF does do this.
No its not. If it was u wouldnt have CoF players talking about how this can get more in line with MG
Remember CoF isnt SSF.
Buffing CoF wont change the fact of this one bit.
Both factions need improvements. Grim dawn is doing just fine without a trade economy. Trading doesnt make or break the diablo like genere
Well if the trading in this game isn’t fixed it likely will never appeal to the majority of ARPG players and LE won’t ever gain any traction in this genre. Which is really sad to see cause the overall potential of the game can be good if they fix these core issues.
Strongly disagree. There should be CoF for that niche crowd then if you want to engange in End game of Trading/Loot hunting you should be in Trade league.
It’s not supposed to be in line with Trade so it’s fine.
All these types of games need is SSF and Trade. Keep it simple no need to reinvent what is already perfect. I’ve mentioned this many many times. MG and CoF is trying to reinvent the wheel and it’s just making LE a worse game.
Trading League doesn’t need to be a faction. There doesn’t need to be a favor grind and most importantly if there is a favor grind and faction for trading players are just not going to ever come back too LE. This game will die each and every season.
Period.
Ok so lets ignore what the devs said about item factions whe. They revealed them.
CoF is designed around not punishing players that DO NOT want to trade. Thats the whole point of it.
Do u even understand why they designed MG the way it is??? EHG doesnt want players just sitting around and playing the market mini game which happens in POE.
They want there players out there killing mobs and not playing trade getting ur grar then going out and playing the game.
How MG is designed also stops the bad actors when it comes to trade such as price fixing flipping ect.
LE will never have open trade like poe. Mike even said if open trade is what u want u will be very disappointed in LE.
You do understand that the Devs aren’t always right? A good Dev will need to adjust and make changes if they want players to play their game.
This entire concept is weird and a contradiction in ideas.
Yes but it looked good on paper and it failed HORRIBLY! It’s okay to try new ideas to see if they work but MG didn’t. In fact MG right now is severly hurting the player base and it’s retention because you are driving away a majority of ARPG players to other games in the genre.
Do you understand that??
MG is a terrible system with 100’s of flaws…Full stop. MG makes Last Epoch a much worse game.
Dont need to. LE did just fine for 5 yrs in EA which had no trade or MP.
The proof ur wrong is right in grim dawn. How about Torchlight 1 and 2. Non these have a trade economy GD is far from dead. Is even getting a new expansion this yr. Moght even be out idk
Diablo like games do not NEED trading to be successful.
It is, because that’s what the devs want it to be. And if approximately 50% of your player base don’t want to trade, then they should be supported not punished (which is what you wamt them to be, which is kinda a dick move tbh).
What you don’t appear to be able to accept is that different people enjoy playing arpgs for different reasons & in different ways. People that don’t like or want to trade aren’t bad or doing it wrong, just like how people who like trading aren’t all dirty scammers who just want to become feudal trading barons.
Which is a valid viewpoint if you only want to trade & think that people who don’t want to trade don’t want to play with others. But that’s not true & no amount of continual reiteration of it or blocking people who disagree with you will make it true.
No, he evidently doesn’t, because he likes trade & he can’t envisage that people might like to play with others but not trade.
Neither are players & there are limits to how much a dev will change their game to accommodate or chase after higher player numbers.
For scamming price flipping tradelords that want to play the market rather than the game, yes.
I don’t know why you both keep insisting. Especially you, Llama, when you know he’s already blocked you.
He doesn’t care about anything except for his very narrow minded view of how an ARPG works. If an ARPG doesn’t have the exact model that’s in his head, it’s a dead game.
Never mind that he doesn’t like PoE and that it’s arguably even more successful than D2.
He doesn’t care about alternatives, he doesn’t care that there are people that don’t think the way he does. He doesn’t care about arguments because in his arrogance he’s almighty and knows everything.
And if you insist too much, he’ll block you as well.
It’s easier to just ignore him.
You keep saying things like:
But in those statements themselves you admit that these games are trading/loot hunting games. Trading is MG which is your part of loot hunting, while CoF is purely loot hunting. Why are you so against the loot hunting part of the games and just want people to just go buy them?
I wasn’t entirely sure he had, but that explains a few things.
Because that’s where the rng comes in & it gets in the way of his acquisition of BiS gear? RNG & actually killing mobs is for other, lesser people. People who are doing it wrong.
I don’t know much about grim dawn never played it or thought about playing it. Lets look at it. Looking at the Data seems like it doesn’t appeal to ARPG players. 2k concurrent player right now and a 63k peak. Seems like that failed to attract the ARPG genre just like LE is right now.
Lets look at the data. 342 concurrent players? Yikes! All time peak 54k? This is your defense and proof lol?
Yea and both of them are dead right now. Since Trade Economy is End Game for this type of ARPG genre. The D2 like genre. Currently PoE is leading the way in the D2 ARPG genre and LE isn’t doing very well.
Diablo is a trading/loot hunting game. It’s the reason why it was successful. Diablo like games 100% are trading games. It’s why players are playing them. They are farming for 1000s of hour to enjoy the End Game of trading and economy.
LE is a dead game right now because of MG and lack of End Game (which is trading) Strong economy means strong thriving game. This will never change. LE has to make some big changes moving forward if it want to attract new players or for old ones to return.
PS - There is a reason why PoE is considered the sequel too D2. There is a reason why they are leading the ARPG market and attracting most of the players. There is a reason why D2R over 2 decades latter has more players than LE and the other games you listed. I’ve listed these reasons. You aren’t listening.
If you really want to annoy him you can point out that D4 has more players and no way to trade for gear, so it’s the most successful ARPG without trading.
Beware, though. He might not like it and block you 
The irony.
One does wonder, if he enjoys trading so much, why doesn’t he play the stock market or something?
I thought I’ve been clear on this.
MG is one of the worst systems for trading ever implemented into a video game. The reason why LE is a dead game and people didn’t come back to check out the new content is because MG is massively hurting the game.
ARPG players rather play other games then deal with such an atrocious system. LE isn’t appealing to the majority of the ARPG player base because of it’s botched trading. MG has to be removed or completely redone. It’s a failed concept that makes LE a much worse game.
Most players are loot hunting/farming to trade. What keeps them playing for 1,000s of hours is finding an item of value in the economy. This is the lifeblood of any ARPG in this genre if the game hopes to have longevity.
A small niche crowd of SSF like to embark on this journey solo for the challenge of possibly waiting years or decades for their holy grail items to drop just so they can say they found it themselves. Nothing wrong with that just not most people cup of tea.
You can also point out to him that the most successful ARPG so far, going purely by player numbers as he does, also doesn’t have gear trade and so most players can’t even loot hunt/farm for trade, if you want to risk being blocked. 
Although he will probably shift goalposts saying that D4 isn’t a real ARPG or doesn’t count because it isn’t D2. Only ARPGs that have a toxic trade playerbase are “trve”.
Well, the only thing I can agree with this idiot is that Trading is good.
Most people just don’t prefer to paly that way nowdays and he can’t accept that. Removing the free marked is a mistake though. It would also remove a large portion of the playerbase, also content creators, which hurts numbers. So there’s that.
There is not one game that works like D2 anymore. Nothing has a Tyraels Might (the original), or a Zod rune to look for for 20 years. There is literally no other game with odds like D2.
Just accept it and the fact that people like stuff to drop. These games might stand on the same principles but they are for a whole different kind of people. There are plenty of people who like D2 for it’s item rarity, value and trading. But PoE has a faster pace than D3 even and even more people play it. PoE is the biggest ARPG nowdays for a reason.
Just deal with it.
I’m not so sure, what’s the odds of a 4lp Ravenous Void, or 4xt7 exalted (ignoring the chance of them being actually useful affixes) & how does that compare to Tyreal’s Might or a Zod rune?
A lot of people do like trading, especially if they don’t have to deal with other players to do it. But a free market does come with some not inconsiderable downsides that EHG don’t want in their game.
That is really a different thing from Tyrael’s Might. You can literally have a just slightly worse version of the rarest item as 3LP for example.
If you don’t get the D2 items, you’ll never use their powers. This is why the Infinity meta was so bad for 20 years until Sunder Charms came. If you did not have a 2xBER, you were fucked out from the build diversity in end game, which is the best part of the game.
In LE you are not limited by this factor. Completely different.
Yeah, sure, that is why factions exist. To make an option for both playerbase, wich could be the strongest part of the game.