I don’t know, I’m sorry. I tend to do a lot of drive-by paying attention to games, LE is one of them. So when a new big release is coming out I pay attention, but not close attention. The only reason I really even remember this is because I thought it was bonkers. It just sounds like there are a lot of variables at play there, and figuring it out would be fragile.
So I guess that thought was accurate.
Here’s a link to a comment I made regarding this with Mike’s direct answer to that:
Many casual dad friends like me were blasting 1.0 for a while. Many of them uninstall right away when they noticed their empty 1.1 stash. Everything gone, the structure, all of it.
I would at least suggest the layout to be there and pay gold to unlock of that is an issue.
I don’t think it’s a big issue to use our past cycle stash tabs. We would just continue to build it up. Anyways the price is rising in the end! For MG cycle, it would inflate pricing a little but I think it would be a cool QoL.
So let this be my farewell post here.
What you quoted is inexplicable to me and has been corrected by Kulze already.
This isn’t the only EHG stance that alienates me, so I wish you guys all the best - honestly. Except for two posters outside this thread, I’d say we have had sometimes heated, but fair arguments.
I identify as a Settler now and not for those reasons, just makes it easier to let go.
Settlers are great! 
A gold refund is still possible, EHG : )
Still waiting for an official response to this issue, as well. The gold refund option should be pretty simple to implement all things considered. But if EHG continues to show this level of disdain for the time and effort players put into their game, then I don’t really have much interest in continuing to play in a serious fashion.
A thoughtful friend gifted me Last Epoch during the previous cycle, as he thought I would enjoy it based on our past gaming experiences together. And he was right! I dumped a ton of hours into 1.0 because it seemed like the game actually did respect my time far more than the Lovecraftian nightmare of say, Path of Exile’s so-called “crafting” system.
During the 1.0 cycle, if you would have asked me if I’d recommend Last Epoch to any of my other friends, I would have given an unequivocal “yes”. As it stands now, I would tell them to stay away due to the decisions/lack of communication around serious issues such as this one.
Last Epoch has a lot of good to offer, but at the end of the day I’m not going to dump hours of my life into a game which then is happy to discard those hours of effort.
The only hope I have still left is that they think about a better solution for next cycle.
To add to that: They can easily still give gold refunds for the 1.0 cycle once 1.1 ends and they do indeed change stuff and have the system in place.
Everyone still has their 1.0 stashes after all
This is still relevant, mates.
With the upcoming reset it would be a good opportunity to change your approach for this, EHG.
You can still refund the 1.0 cycle gold and please keep doing so for all upcoming cycles too.
Those who don’t play legacy won’t care but for those who do this is important.
I’d go so far as to say that for individuals like myself, who were planning on playing Legacy and only really hopping on Cycle in limited circumstances, EHG continuing to not address the stash tab/gold issue has completely killed our motivation to play.
I rolled a character for 1.1 but only played them halfheartedly in comparison to my 1.0 experience, thanks to this problem. And I haven’t logged into Last Epoch in a few weeks at this point: According to Steam I last played on August 13th. I keep checking back on forums/the Steam game page to see if there is any update on the matter, and doubt my feelings/motivation will change unless, at a bare minimum, we get a gold refund for the already-purchased 1.0 tabs.
Again, this is about my time as a player being respected. If the developers are going to casually discard hours of in-game work, then I am going to pursue entertainment elsewhere. My free time is too valuable to waste on such an easily-remedied situation.
Adding my WTF to this thread also.
“I just don’t understand where the expectation is coming from in the first place. It feels like this is being looked at this as though we’re withholding something that was earned. While I would think it’s more like we’re not giving double value for the tabs.”
Assuming this is an actual quote: I simply don’t understand anyone, especially a rep from the creator, that doesn’t understand this.
You ARE withholding something I earned. An in game stash tab costs in game gold. Each gold coin in game represents a unit of time that I have personally spent to acquire it. When I spend 1000 Gold on a stash tab, that 1000 gold represents an EARNED resource that I earned through playing the game and spending the time to acquire it…thus the stash tab, once purchased represents an EARNED resource…I spent an earned resource to purchase a thing, that thing becomes the Earned resource now.
“While I would think it’s more like we’re not giving double value for the tabs.”
So we agree, here, that a tab has some form of value. Nothing “Free” has value in a game so since you’ve agreed that a stash tab has “value”, and since I cannot USE that stash tab in Legacy, by definition it is something withheld that was earned. I payed X Gold in Cycle to have a “deposit/withdraw” stash tab and when transferred over to Legacy you gave me a “withdraw only” stash tab…by definition this is "withholding something that was earned…thus negating the original postulate.
Now we’re just dithering about how MUCH value that thing has.
This is not a difficult concept and it’s nothing more than corporate double speak by people who don’t want to admit they screwed the pooch and disenfranchised tens of thousands of customers out of hours of their time.
If I have to buy a stash tab, that stash tab is as valuable as an item I get that drops in game. You’ve already decided that items have value because you carry them over to legacy for me…ensuring that an item I find is never lost. Yet for my stash tabs you intentionally force me to LOSE those tabs by making them retrieve only and not replacing them in legacy nor refunding the cost for them.
I spend money on Cycle to buy a tab, that tab belongs to me…if you are not going to carry that tab in a usable way over to legacy, the gold I spend on those tabs on cycle should be refunded, otherwise there is NO REASON to play cycle ever.
With your current system every Cycle character is throwing time and effort away. You can’t really play the game without buying stash tabs and every stash tab you buy on cycle is throwing that money away for a TEMPORARY resource.
Instead EVERY player should IGNORE cycle and ONLY play legacy, that way their work is not nullified and no player is disenfranchised of their time spent buying stash tabs.
As a business, if your customer service people can’t figure this out, they should be replaced…it’s as simple as that. 10’s of thousands of players spent a collective 100s of thousands of hours obtaining the gold for the 100’s of thousands of stash tabs that you have made unavailable to those same players. That is not giving double value for anything, that’s robbing tens of thousands of customers of hundreds of thousands of hours of gameplay.
It is an actual quote, yeah
https://i.imgur.com/nqcsHHs.png
It was in the official LE Discord server
@Tempyrr
That’s why I only played legacy in 1.1. Had I known this would happen I would have played legacy in 1.0 too but for flair reasons I joined the first cycle, assuming everything would transfer over because EHG generally very much respects our playtime and grind invested. I regret that, my experience would have been the same in legacy only that no progress would have been lost ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Ladies and Gentlemen, there is hope
First they didn’t had a good solution for cycle to legacy and now, after 1.1.7, I cannot use the stash at all in a proper way because it freezes the game for seconds or even minutes for some others.
My patience is soon running out 
My plan was to only play Legacy in 1.1, but I had a friend who was interested in starting Cycle characters. And yup, with the new patch out and no resolution to this issue (along with the lag when swapping between stash versions, that Shadowsquirrel mentioned), I find myself increasingly distanced from Last Epoch by the day. I just logged in for the first time in weeks just to see what the stash situation was, and upon finding it unchanged immediately logged out.
As it stands I don’t think I’m going to be coming back to this game until, at a minimum, our gold is refunded or some equivalent action is taken. At this point I’ve mentally and emotionally moved on, and I imagine other people have as well. It makes me think of the old saying about the opposite of love not being hate, but apathy. Nothing is quicker to induce apathy than destroying hours of player effort and doing nothing to make players whole.
I’ll keep checking back on forums/patch notes every once in a while just in case something does meaningfully change.
You have the remove-only tabs. This is storage space for all your previously acquired items. The items and the storage space are still there. If EHG refunds the gold, the people can buy more stash tabs for more storage space, leaving the old stuff still in the remove only tabs.
That’s the idea where this ‘double the value’ comes from.
Personally, I don’t think that refunding the gold and therefore creating more value is an issue for the game. It probably won’t flood the economy with endless amounts of gold.
Let’s just use another game as an example for why I think your perspective is a bit out of line.
I bought roughly 20 premium stash tabs in PoE before they introduced the special stash tabs, like currency tab.
Every time I play a league, I get a bunch of remove only tabs in legacy, but not a single fully usable stash tab. I paid money for them. Real money, not ingame currency. Should I throw a tantrum that GGG should send me $50 for each league, because they invalidated my time and punished me so hard?
What you’re describing is not even equivalent…or correct. I played quite a bit of PoE, and it’s true that when you purchase a stash tab during a league and the league ends, that you get a remove-only version of that tab. But you also get a normal, usable version of that tab in Standard league - the equivalent of Last Epoch’s Legacy. So by the definition you’re using, Path of Exile gives players double value, and even better, it’s immediate double value, because you actually get that stash tab in Standard right away, as well. Then, when the League ends, you get remove-only versions of all your tabs, and can migrate items into their equivalent, fully usable Standard tabs when you’re ready to.
There’s no real reason that Last Epoch shouldn’t have copied this system exactly. I have huge issues with so many decisions that Grinding Gear Games has made, for Path of Exile, which is why I stopped playing that game years ago. And yet even I will admit that this particular way of handling stash tabs is quite player-friendly. Now…GGG had a tendency in the past to continue to make new league-specific currencies and then try to sell you stash tabs specifically to organize them, which felt scummy. But the way the tabs were handled in general, when it came to migration and the Standard layout being copied into the newest league, very much felt like it respected both my time and money.
Okay, good point, but it is a one-time effect. I have accumulated probably 200 remove only tabs in PoE. My usable tabs are filled to the brim for 9 years.
The reason LE does not copy your legacy layout is that they want stash tabs to be zero for all new cycle characters, creating an even playing ground. The complete newbie starts out like the veteran - with nothing. I just hope that one can save the stash configuration like a loot filter to apply it later, especially with their new priority stash system (which I haven’t checked out yet).
The vast difference between LE and PoE is money. LE uses ingame currency, PoE real-world money.