They had the chance, they had the time, they had the fan base, they had the money but in the end, they didn’t do shjt and cashed out with milions 
That so called Road Map is a total disgrace to the community, those who did believe in EHG.
How couldn’t some of you see it? They deserved for what they did.
Dread’s video pretty much represent our feelings towards EHG. We love the game but all the action after action that EHG did to the game is just such a disappointment to the fans 
LE had such potential but with time, it’s clear it never had a solid plan to execute. Such a shame cause it was fun at first but this just proves how it’s headed the wrong direction with no actual dates and keeping everyone waiting for any new actual information and then to top it off with locking a new class behind a paywall…yeah you guys are being cancelled fast. I’ll keep playing other games.
Another game destroyed by Krafton,
Honestly the whole 20npc for market is the worst trading system out of all games that exist currently on the market.
Custom spell effects looks like they are made by 10 years old, that is why no one buys them, they are horrible, portals are nice, but literally worse than default, cause u cant see colour change on completed monolith, its almost like PAY to loose.
Now making pay character that is probably going to be 3x stronger than everything else in the game, essentially making game pay to win.
6 months long season no one plays on top of that, I mean unless next season isnt GIGA fun, game will be dead within a year, nothing can save it anymore if next 2 seasons are as garbage as last one…
What a sad ending for a game that had potentional
I don’t mind some of the skill skins, but $5 to $15 per? Not for me 
If they were class bundled for $10, maybe. If they added more that reflected the season as bundles, maybe.
where is the roadmap? IT SHOWS NOTHING< ARE U DUMB?
2 pictures that say season 4 and exp, with NO INFORMATION…how is this a roadmap, where is the actual info of dates, prices, features or anything???
True, but do you honestly believe that EHG are capable of balancing a new class/mastery in line with all the others? How balanced have all the reworked masteries been when they were released compared to the others? How balanced were the Falconer & Warlock masteries when they released? What makes you think that now EHG have suddenly become capable of creating balanced classes?
I personally don’t believe that they’d make a class OP just to sell it, though I get why someone would, I just don’t think that “malice” (deliberately making it OP so it sells well then nerfing it later) is distinguishable from “incompetence”.
You know that can’t be the case given Heavy’s comment. It’s almost like you deliberately misread the comment.
Given Kulze’s comments here, the “amount” of imbalance is irrelevant, he’s just talking about the principle. 
Some people would certainly cut their nose off to spite their face.
It wasn’t destroyed by Krafton, it’s been on it’s unfortunate path for quite a while.
So you’re telling me that if the fix the problems that have been mass reported by people for YEARS that they never fixed and then made good looking MTXs you would quit the game? So what you want the game even more broken? Do you want the game to be PoE?
If this is what makes you quit the game then the problem is that you never wanted to play LE in the first place.
There are 2 things needed for making MTX a reliable form of income. The first is the game needs to be good enough to have people playing it a lot. In it’s current state it’s practically dead after a week. The second is having good looking MTX. People will not buy your MTX if they think they are ugly but in order for them to want to buy even beautiful MTX you have to first give them a reason to play the game so they can get their money’s worth out of the MTX, after all, no one will buy it to play for a week every 4 months.
Now yes, BP can be bad but you can go the helldiver 2 direction as well. You buy a BP and you have forever to finish it. The BP also doesn’t goes away, anyone can buy any BP. You can easily remove FOMO, most don’t because it’s more profitable that way but you can do that and helldivers 2 proved it’s possible and profitable.
right, but selling it to the possibly worst company possible, is def nail on a coffin, before this, all they did was digging the hole, Krafton is a speedrun into that hole
all seasonal games are mostly dead after 2 weeks, the difference is, there are things to do in endgame, the LE endgame is the most boring thing ever, its like running PoE tier 1 blue maps with no Atlas
This this this this this this this this.
Krafton ownership/AI first/DLC or class cost/MTX quality all seem to be trivialities in terms of the consequences to the player base compared to “are our players enjoying playing?”
So the decisions being made on these things are kind of moot, because there already weren’t enough customers to support the game. This is also why I personally find it kind of weird that there’s such visceral backlash to the announcements.
The paid class decision to me doesn’t come across as some sort of betrayal or greed, it’s emergency surgery. Pseudo-forcing the playerbase’s hand to shell out for content (rather than have an entirely optional supporter pack or similar) is them jamming a pen into a trachea to allow the game to to breathe until they can fix it properly, and lots of people are apparently mad because the biro they used was green.
Do they wanna do it? No. Is it an option in a dire situation? Yeah. Will the patient survive? We’ll just have to see. The tracheotomy/paid class buys the time for the proper surgery to be performed on the core issue:
Not enough people have found this game fun and/or good enough to even play, let alone want to support it
I don’t know if they even know what fixing the game looks like. I guess it’s many many things, so how to perceive which is more important is going to be extremely subjective, which means prioritising their solutions is a significant problem.
If I were a gamblin’ man I’d say they don’t have the time, resources, or playerbase to be able to ride this out.
Finally even if this approach does work, then probably they’ll rinse repeat with a new paid class because that’s how executives think: it saved your life once, so having regular tracheotomies must be a good thing for your health. STAB
Eye rolls are quite appropriate. It completely depends on power and exclusivity to the paid class(es). Torchlight Infinite is P2W but it is not due to their always strong new paid classes. As there are always equally strong free ones. D3’s necro is pretty close to P2W when it comes to group content as they are at the top for that in almost every seasonal theme they rehash. And D3 has 2/3/4 man ladders that they are a key part of. And it just feels wrong to reward Blizzard by buying the class after they cancelled future expansions right before the first released.
I do agree that EHG is ultra incentivized to guarantee paid classes are strong the season they release. And it’s definitely a bad look to release new paid classes when the existing ones are unfinished, bugged and/or underpowered.
I’d prefer they just released paid expansions instead as I worry that they’ll try to sell multiple paid classes that cost more than the expansion would.
Some have stated as much, here and on reddit. Nothing will please them at this point, so hopefully once they vent they can move on to a game they are happy to support.
I feel Rhykker communicates my thoughts better.
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That’s some kind of mental gymnastics. I’m here for a very long time and tell them to fix their game like a broken record… even far before release.
All I say is they didn’t listen or let’s say they listened to a selcted little ammount of players and they bet on the wrong horses obviously.
If they listened to the full spectrum of their playerbase, or at least the representation o nthe forums, things would be different.
That’s a surface level observation on his part without any real insight in everything that was/is going on but at least he sounds so nice about it 
Fair, it’s expensive… but also comparable to other games of the genre.
The issue is that there’s no MTX available for the stuff people actually play, and the ones available look many times like absolute ass. Low quality slob.
And to make my point I’ll explain shortly and re-install the game for it even to start it up the first time in a month 
So, let’s take my favorite build.
My Jhelkor’s Blast Knife build. Detonating Arrow but melee hence. Kinda sucks because of the range issue though and is not even remotely able to even attempt Uberroth no matter how long you play.
So first off:
If I click on ‘Buy cosmetics for this slot’ then why isn’t only a list for applicable items showcased when I press it? I have to sift through two-handed axes… wands… scepters… and so on when I wanna buy a friggin dagger skin.
That’s off-putting already.
Next up why are other weapon types displayed for me even as a available choice when directly clicking on the cosmetic slot? Makes no sense, what the heck?
So… now I find my choices after sifting through the whole weapon category:
Crimson Fang, which looks worse then Jhelkor and just drips blood you cannot really see.
Deep Scale Dagger, which I don’t like design-wise and has a effect no sane person can even see ever.
Oh wait… That’s it. Two items in total.
Grand choice!
No surprise I didn’t buy one despite wanting to buy a skin.
Helmet? Oh… the ‘Stromtalon Crown’ actually looks nice! What are you saying there is nothing fitting for the other body parts available?
And why do I get helmets displayed when searching for Body Armors when I try to check?
At least there a grand total of 7 armor sets available, so 1 per year basically for development.
And 1 pair of boots and 1 pair of gloves which look like some random picked up item and aren’t any visual striking stuff even. Just low-quality crap.
Well… then at least let’s equip some pets, because why have em if I don’t have em equipped? Wait… why can I not pick my pet and slot it even in?* That’s unacceptable. Is it used by another character maybe? Which one? How should I find it? Is it even the problem?
No error message, no explanation, no nothing, just unusable.
Sure, I can fix that since I know what the issue is… I’m standing in the Bazaar area and you cannot change pets there for some reason 
So yes, you’re right… 5-15€ is abominable since their MTX system isn’t even working. And it’s not my task as a customer to troubleshoot this shit, I know I need to unequip it
Well… maybe for the prices at least the quality is half-way decent? Let’s see with the stuff I accumulated either from early times up to nowadays. Some MTX is in my list. Pets is the biggest, so let’s see, right?
‘Juvenile Skullen’ looks like utter ass. Low quality textures. The scale-plates look like glued onto the fur. The fur looks like clay and why is there fur and hide with the hide being so low resolution that it looks blurry and a bit stretched?
Not to speak of the claws looking plopped on as well.
Heck… I know 2 people doing Twitch Streams as Vtubers, both doing it as a hobby in small scale, making their own models as a hobby… and it’s higher damn quality.
We have a multi-million dollar company here, it’s simply unacceptable.
But we got some more. Golden ‘Guppy’ the Baby Chronowurm looks awful, overly shiny, low resolution, you can see the odd blurry areas of where colors bleed into each other.
The bees (and ‘more bees’ as well as ‘most bees’) also look awful, with the animation being differently sped up between them simply… so their wings beat in vastly different paces. Also too slow so it looks cartoony anyway.
Voidwing (which I was stoked about the design) clips body parts into each other in the animation and looks like it has a rubber-surface, also no detailed interior of the mouth when it does a regular animation opening and displaying the inside of it…
Green Dire Guana actually is decent. Just not flashy. The stuff on the back clips into him though, maybe that would’ve been fitting to animate properly… especially since the stuff on the back moves in different directions… is that poor guy breaking his back every few seconds?
Blue Seer’s Orb. Yeah… 3€ value… little gimmicky thing. More details on the 3 rings needed then this plain design, otherwise ok. Wasn’t worth it at all even as a Twitch-Drop. They’re your advertisment MTX… at least they should look nice…
Gloomfeathers… the last I have. Decent textures actually for a change! Newer one cleary. Feathers finally look like feathers properly. We’re getting there slowly. The effect of feathers falling is awkward though, they appear randomly in the air.
All that stuff should be properly adjusted to have the feather falling from specific areas, several effects overlapping hence to then combinate into a single one and position it properly towards the pets.
Portals look decent-ish.
Portraits? Why is not a single one available in the shop? And instead relays me to all stuff combined? Atrocious again.
Frames? None available either, this time ‘Check back soon’ displayed, which is also unacceptable outside of EA.
Character effects also relay to the full store.
And there’s not even a single MTX available for Detonating Arrow. So I cannot even buy any MTX there!
Not to speak that it displays all available MTX rather then those applicable to me once more.
It’s a shit-show. So low quality it’s baffling front back and center.
Aaaand directly de-installed again after this really depressing result.
Just wanted to give the alternative rather then saying ‘this would be disastrous’ right away
Yep, surprisingly it’s actually not Krafton’s fault here… the result is probably something Krafton enforces… but the root cause is EHG’s fault plain and simply.
Sure, for us as customers absolutely. I agree 100% there.
For them though? It was a smart decision. That amount of money with the promise to not take control (like only if they can turn it around though, with nigh guarantee included)? They were smart to take this offer, other offers likely were a fraction of the price with control on top right away. Only Krafton throws money around like candy as they try to weasel their way through the most disgusting methods possible to get a profit no matter the cost.
Many, yes.
But there is a difference if you can play on and still progress, hence always find a reason to come back to it… or if you’ve ‘played it out’ basically.
Sadly in LE’s case in 2 weeks I can create 4 characters from scratch and play them and kill Aberroth with ease, which is the only realistically available end-goal still.
If I look at PoE I’m barely scratching the top-end of content yet, with loads to progress in still.
In TL:I I’ll be through with the basic progression since a bit and maybe think about starting my second character.
It’s just a massive difference overall, for a live-service game LE has basically no staying power.
I’m thorn… Everything is business, and choises. To choose to make players pay more to play usually makes them less willing to play anymore. So, most likely this is a bad business choise. Or have I got this wrong? The Diablo people made it work, cashing in loads and loads from new players joining the community ready to pay for play. So, maybe this is a good business choise, just aimning for those willing to pay. They are out there, just need to reach them. And it takes caring more for new money than for grumpy already playing folks that’s fine with paying nothing more than they already have once buying the game. And, in my opinion LE is a better game than D4, just need to reach the willing to pay player base. Common business sense, even if it’s meh.
Hello, I purchased the game through Steam. But after starting the game, it won’t let me log in to play it. It wants me to update my account and I did that and it still won’t let me play it.
I am still in wait and see mode no need to be outraged by something that aint coming out for another whole ass year so people being crazy about it without even seeing it
Ok, but it comes across as being a Karen. Would you like to speak to their manager?
Oh it is greed, betrayal is debatable as it’s being forced by a different company and technically Krafton promised us nothing but by the same token they should be held liable for promises made by the company though bought much like when a company buys another it is still liable to any contractual obligations the original company had. I will clarify that greed is on Krafton, not EHG per say.
As for the surgery, it really isn’t. They are not performing emergency first aid, they are literally trying to shot the corpse to see if that heals it. You’ve seen the backlash already. Mass review bombing, almost every player is going to quit and no pay for anything more. This is the wrong approach when EHG knows very well what is needed to make the game fun and it would take them a couple months at worst. The paid DLC is slated for almost an year from now. They don’t need to go that route at all if that is the time frame they are operating upon to make profits.