That’s funny you said that. I was kind of wondering the same thing. They do defend the game at every turn. Like it’s okay to love a game, but it’s also okay to be critical about certain things of it
If you had bothered to actually look (rather than just fall to confirmation bias) you’d see that there were quite a few times where I said things weren’t perfect. For example, I’ve repeatedly said that early level respec needs to be looked at. I’ve also said in several threads that class balance is all over the place.
However, yes, I do love the game. Like I said a few times, they could abandon the game as is and I’d still think it was money well spent and would keep playing it for a long time.
You saying that is like me saying “I was wondering if you’re a Blizzard employee because you only say bad things about the game”. But I wouldn’t, because I know you also say good things about it. You just mention the bad ones more often.
Likewise, it’s okay to not like many things in a game, but it’s also okay to be supportive about certain things of it. And there are plenty of people that only post to complain/insult.
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I have barely touched Falconer and Warlock so far. Because, and this is an important point, I play LE to have fun.
And guess what, Falconer and Warlock ARE fun. Build can be OP as fuck and also fun, do you know that?
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To be fair you both make very disagreeable comments, like thinking there are “only two builds” or assuming that everyone is a meta chaser or cares enough about leaderboards, what’s worst you said em like they’re hard facts (which they are not) so of course some people will be very disagreeable with you, myself included.
I think you take things too literally man.
The point was it just “seems” like you spend all day in the forums and disagree with any post that criticizes the game/or certain features.
For instance I’ve seen you post multiple times in others posts who post a topic that is similar to another topic saying “this topic already exists. Please use forum etiquette and search said topic first.” It’s okay to ignore the post and move on. You don’t have to have a say in everything.
You know you have the ability to just not say something. If you have nothing nice to say don’t say it. I see plenty of posts of people complaining about something like someone quit because of a certain hard boss. We all know it’s just a troll or someone who is like poor me give me attention. I just ignore it. If you feed a troll it will come back stronger.
So my point is, if you see something you disagree with it’s okay to ignore it and move on with your life.
I hope this helps you man
Yeah we get it. Everyone has an opinion. To “you” it’s disagreeable. To someone else it’s agreeable. So to say it like it’s a fact is just wrong.
I mean if you want to nitpick its fine.
So much facts, and very agreeable, right?
Well considering we all see countless posts about that topic either here, Reddit, streams, and YouTube I would say it feels like the majority.
Show me multiple posts or top streamers saying that progression DOESN’T slow down around level 90.
I’ll be waiting. And if you prove me wrong I will gladly admit I was wrong.
It’s a great game and a great value but I think it needs a lot more polish and it needs to be a lot more accessible to new people. Both of those are boring and expensive so I doubt that it will happen quickly. I’m fairly confident that I will be playing this game on and off for years to come.
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First, my answer (and Ghostlight’s) was in response to someone saying they do hundreds of echoes with NO progress. Not that progress slows down around level 90. Which it does, as is normal in any game since you’re close to finished.
Second, only a small portion of the community engages in these platforms and those that do tend to be the ones that are unhappy about it. The ones that are happy about it are just playing the game. Though you still do see some that try to show support to the devs.
So, unless you can say: here are these posts of 20k people that feel that way, you can’t say it’s the majority. Otherwise it’s just confirmation bias. Just like I can’t say that the majority doesn’t feel that way.
In fact, I’m pretty sure, though I can’t prove it and it’s my own confirmation bias, that the majority of players don’t have an opinion on this either way.
What does happen, and this is true, is that a significant number of people complain about this. It’s not something that should be dismissed. But there’s a distance between that and a majority.
Those “majority” have been playing since 1.0. I have been playing since 2020, who are you going to believe. 
Heck I have level 100 chars that I’ve been min-maxing forever and that are still getting upgrades even now.
But considering we have a “majority” who are moaning about things like they don’t have a 3LP Twisted Heart, that should inform you of the type of whiners we are dealing with.
Of course progression slows down at level 90. In fact the better your gear becomes, the less often you will get an upgrade. Funny how that works isn’t it? It’s almost as if better gear becomes harder to replace because it is already good. Mind blown.
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Biggest thing I learned to really enjoy the game is to stop expecting that I’ll get those chase items lol!
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Progression isn’t just the gear itself. It’s also the power boost. Most people from what I’ve seen the criticism is after level 80 or so there really is no sense of power progression, at least in a linear curve.
Like d4. Yeah you might have your gear in place and you’re just looking for the best affix combo/highest roll, but your character power still progresses. Like you are getting paragon points, your glyphs are getting stronger, etc. so even if gear isn’t dropping as much you still are feeling a sense of progression.
Even the dev Mike on his livestream a few weeks ago said the power difference between 90-100 is very little in terms of passive points. The passives gained early on contribute a ton in power, but the last 10 or so levels provide very little.
That’s what people are talking about progression.
I hope this helps you understand progression!
Have a great day!
Who cares when someone started playing. That’s got to be one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever heard lol it just makes you loyal and a boomer.
It’s actually the super long time players for any game their opinions I take with a grain of salt. Their opinions are usually (not always though,) rooted in how things use to be vs how things are or going to be. Like WoW classic. Obviously if you started playing in vanilla days you are going to say this is how wow should be. You are going to hate current wow with group finders and what not. A more modern player is going to love the convenience of current wow.
So my point is you started playing 4 years ago. Good for you. Because you’ve played something for a long time and like how it is, doesn’t mean newer players opinions don’t matter.
Remind me again of LE’s player count before release? In March 2023 it had a peak count of 40k. Then after April never peaked above 10k. Until release with 250k. And now we are already down to a 22k 24hr peak. So to YOU those 230k player’s being a “majority” of 1.0 doesn’t matter? Lol I bet to the devs those players matter
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I have a habit of rerolling characters, so I have about 4-5 characters at 85+ ( I could be wrong, I have bad memory). And I find it fascinating to see people say they get no upgrades after level 80. When all I have been doing everyday with my characters is constantly craft and upgrade my gear. I wish there was a way to see my item progression because it would show how many times I’ve swapped out items.
And there are others like me. And color me crazy, I don’t expect to get constant upgrades once my gear is somewhat good. Below is a character I’m working on:
The gear I have is different from what I had at level 80. And I’m pretty damn sure it’s going to change a lot by the time I hit 95 because I have so many things I can upgrade. I already found a 1 LP Elocoe’s Abandon, not to mention I want at least 2 LP. I have another 2 LP snowblind. I still have to match my attunement to my intelligence. My bleeding heart and catalyst needs a different slam. I haven’t started farming for my gloves yet and I still need T7 throwing mana cost rings. I need to slam my belt. Not to mention I eventually want to go with two ring of the third eye (I have multiple 2 LP waiting) and soul gambler’s fallacy to go ward based. The only thing that is close to BIS are my boots. And even then, I may swap them out if I go ward based. And I’m still only at 130 corruption working on my blessings.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think I’m that far off from where an average level 80 character is at. Still working on blessings with a few legendary items that are far from optimal. I have so much I can work on and everyday I find something I can upgrade. I find LP uniques for my build and have multiple exalted items that are potential slams. And I only play 2 hours a day, if even that. I’m a far cry from a hardcore player because I’m busy in life.
If I can show my shitty character and back up what I say, you guys who are insisting you can’t find upgrades can also. Show us your character and let us see what you mean. I’m asking because I checked both your accounts (deadract and fredjesus). And by how you guys are so insistent, I’m assuming you guys have different accounts. Deadract’s highest level character I can see is around level 8 and fredjesus has a level 72 spellblade. If you’re going to have an opinion on “endgame”, I assume you have characters there to back up your experience. Either that or last epoch tools isn’t working properly for me so help us out and give us a link to see your characters.
Maybe instead of arguing about the scale of the problem, it would be better to actually pinpoint it.
In my limited experience, build progression beyond certain point often revolves around precise LE slams. For example, A cold Frostclaw build needs Twisted Heart with T6-7 levels to Frostclaw and a T7 spell cost reduction on a scepter. These are musts. Progression is basically locked until you get them.
And it’s near-impossible for 99% players. Dropping one LP1 Heart is already a power gamer move (50M+ in Cycle). So is T7 Frost Claw (250M+). And only have 25% to succeed once you collected both.
While some may consider those endgame BiS, please take into account that we’re talking about LP1. Just the one necessary affix to have the build come online.
IMO droprates of low LP rare uniques should be adjusted, considering the availability of rare affixes and the Eternity Cache RNG gating.
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Progression to what corruption? I imagine a non-twisted heart, T7 levels to frostclaw can take you pretty far.
True. But my point is that the build is incomplete without it. In my view, it’s not a chase item that gives you an extra boost beyond what the build is designed for. In the Frost Claw tree, you need the Nova procs, you need the staggered projectiles and you need the ward. You can only get all three with T6 levels to Frost Claw.
Even more radically important is T7 spell cost on a scepter. You just can’t boss without it. Luckily, the BiS scepter is not rare so it’s infinitely easier. But the distinction between rare and common uniques is in my opinion arbitrary while the discrepancy bewteen their accessibility is enormous - another big problem in the game.
Other builds I tried have a similar problem: you need that elusive affix, and it keeps screwing you. IMO, LE is a perfect example where making gear acquisition mechanics richer works against the player satisfaction and fun. I sincerely hate Eternity Cache. I wish it did not exist.
Yeah that’s pretty much where I’m at. I have a relic that has a t6 frost claw. Nothing will replace that except a t7 frost claw which is hard to find. And on top of that I need minimum a 3 Lp twisted heart to almost guarantee that if I slam that relic it will take my frost claw. If it doesn’t my build is pretty much bricked until I can find another relic with a t6 or t7 frost claw.
My wand is a mad ladle with lp2 and it has cast speed and spell crit chance which is good. So only a lp3 will be an upgrade. I have the elemental nova helm with no lp so need that. I have foot of the mountain with lp1. The enigma off hand with lp2 with cast speed and crit chance.
Then after that all of my non unique slots all are exalted with cast speed and crit chance/multipler. They just need t7s of one if those stats.