Gender locked classes? Really? Refund

Nope, it was in the base game.

Glad to see you’ve done a cursory search for this.

It can’t, the Scion is the Scion. While it can have certain aspects of any class, the other classes will always be better at that than the Scion as the Scion is more generalised.

Ah yes, the pissing contest of problems. X isn’t important to me, so if it’s important to you then yoyr life is clearly too easy! So, using that logic, because someone I cared about had significant mental health issues and was in & out of hospital (proper secure psychiatric wards where you aren’t allowed to bring in belts, laces & plastic bags) my problems are unimportant & I shouldn’t complain about them?

It wasn’t, it was available in the base game as well.

Said absolutely every generation ever over the course of the entire history of humanity. It will ever be thus, the older generations despairing over the younger.

You can have mine if you want.

Heresy!

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The Ascendancy is different, I agree, but class wise I can go whichever way it suits, and funnily enough…it works :slight_smile: But then, I’m not a min maxer, I’m in it to enjoy playing, I guess, therein lies the difference.

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As long as you’re enjoying the game, nothing else really matters tbh.

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tbh it hardly ever bothers you when you have armor on and also if you like the game and dont mind sparring 10 bucks extra you can just buy an cosmetics to hide your character lol. this was the first game I ever bought cosmetics and it feels like i’m playing a male with a rogue chararcter lol (the characters gender wasnt the reason for my purchase, the game is just that good)

You’re asking the devs to double the amount of work to make the armors and assets fit
( maybe a lot less if they do it in an extremely lazy way. )
If they do manage it one day, awesome. Id rather have new characters/classes.

I am not quite sure who is seeking for attention here. The OP at least was writing about the game. You however are writing about the OP.

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Funny, I think the rogue is the class with the best voice/phrases. Particularly this dirty laughing, I love it.
I play a palading too most of the time and think his phrases are boring in comparison.

Trololol. Every aRPG in existence barring D4: welp, bai!

i agree with you. this is actually one of the worst aspects of the game (not related to gameplay)
we should be able to customize our gender, face, body etc. would make the game alot more enjoyable as an rpg.

im a woman and i want to play as a female primalist. does that mean i hate men? no obviously. it just means i like to play as myself in games.

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Yeah, but you’re still playing a male Primalist right?

I just never have encountered someone willing to give up an entire game worth of fun simply because the character wasn’t fully customizable to their liking. At least not without some serious underlying issues.

Personally, I feel the game is missing a more muscular female character as well, just not D4 bulky levels (think more Nicole Coenen level, if we’re talking Primalist :smiley: ) and am dissapointed they went with the “man = strong dude or old wise man” tropes, but that doesn’t make me wonna refund the game though.

I mean, maybe I’m just an old fart and remember the days when even ARPGs just had 0 choice and even more story driven games like DnD-type ones had like barely a few heads and maybe a secondary body type to pick, but an entire group of dudes all refusing to play game to the point of demanding refunds because they must play as a woman in certain classes? That screams severe personal issues to me.

So recap: customization good, tantrum over it, not good!

Ugh I can’t believe I have to play as a fat male Italian plumber when I am not, myself, a fat male Italian plumber, nor am I attracted to fat male Italian plumbers. This game sucks, 0 stars, refunded.

it cant be much worse than moving a couple dots in unity and muting the voicelines for the new genders. add the voices later when it suits EHG.

or just keep it this way and sell less mtxs/lose potential new players.
not my problem tbh heh

This is, so far, the biggest example for “tell me you don’t know how programming or 3D modelling works without telling me you don’t know…”.
They haven’t yet finished making all the animations for the models we do have, because it’s not an easy task, requiring lots of hours of work. But yeah, I’m sure you’re right and it’s just “moving dots in unity”. I can’t wait to see the game you’re making. It’s so easy that I expect it will be released in the next few days.

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I also prefer to play as my gender BUT honestly? For ARPGs like this, it’s mostly out of habit. Looking back, the truth is that it didn’t have an impact on my gaming experience…

Maybe it was fun for character creation, but at the end of the day ARPG avatars are just these tiny heavily armored toy soldiers on your screen. Due to the nature of the game, I’m not color/style coordinating my armor because so much of these games are about gear upgrades. I am pretty sure I couldn’t even tell you what my current character looks like and I can guarantee it isn’t fashionable.

Tbh, after dumping enough time into Monster Hunter games and MMO fashion endgames I’ve learned that nobody except me even cares, so a game has to have a robust, accessible (read: not paid extras) fashion endgame to make it worth spending the time to look cool (and by extension, care at all about the gender of my avatar). It ain’t something I expect from an ARPG. If I’m really desperate to pretend my avatar is female, just give me some full body armor and a helmet and call it a day. I’d much rather have devs for this kind of game focus on balancing and skills and gameplay loop shit than pour time and money into an aspect of the game I probably won’t even utilize (and haven’t even bothered with in other ARPGs) due to how the loot system functions coupled with the aesthetic aspect being tied to real money.

TL;DR: I like playing as my gender and I am a sucker for fashion endgames, but from personal experience, I haven’t actually utilized or cared about this aspect in ARPGs. IMO devs made the right call to deprioritize it if they had limited dev bandwidth.

i just think the brunt of the effort would be voicelines, and those don’t need to be in there quick at all.

ofc i have no idea what im talking about, not my job either :wink:

all i know is ppl want it and it would help selling mtxs if we had a chance to actually care about our character’s appearance. as it is i’m simply conditioned not to care from step 1.

Voicelines are the easy part, really. But for every model you make (so 5 right now) you have to make all the animations for moving, combat, each skill, etc. You also have to make the model fit the armor/weapon models.
Which is why our current models have voices but not all animations are complete. Adding 5 new models will be hundreds of hours of work.

As for helping sell MTX, I do find it funny that people use that argument, since when you’re playing and decked out in MTX, you don’t even see your character. Seems funny to make such a fuss over something that you then cover up and don’t see other than in the character screen.

i mean, it’s the reason i dont care for mtxes, and it’s also the reason ppl use to stay away from the game when i try to “sell” it to “friends”.

it’s convenient that you don’t care but a lot of ppl do.

There are games I have not played because of a lack of ability to pick gender/character customization, so you’ve encountered one now! Last Epoch / ARPGs don’t fall into that category for me though, but open world RPGs where immersion matters to me is another story.

The thing about “willing to give up an entire game worth of fun” is that my steam backlog is huge, there are a ton of great games out there, and I have enough options to be picky without ever feeling like I’m missing out. Players have their own priorities and things that they care about in games and that’s okay.

That being said, as you mentioned, I don’t throw tantrums over games that have dealbreakers for me - I just don’t buy them.

Don’t get me wrong. I totally understand people that want to play one genre or another. I never had any issue with it. My stance has always been that it will come eventually, it’s just not a priority right now.

What I don’t really understand is making such an issue about it to the point where you can’t even play most classes but then totally cover up the model anyway. When all geared up and without the voice, their character could be male or female under there and most of the time they wouldn’t know the difference.