For Goodness' Sake FIX MINIONS

If I managed to capture this on a video, imagine how often it happens!

Just take a look at the Putrid Wraith first, how he comes back to me to chill, completely oblivious to the surround events.
Soon after, the Revenant joins him in the chilling party.
All the while the Melee Wraith is carrying the remainder of the fight.

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U r right, I really LOVE minions especially in POE where the minion AI is absolutely great. They are aggressive and attack before you and therefore protect you.
In LE they r always dragging behind, are super slow, attack extremely slow and I always get the enemies shots and attacks first because they r always behind me.
They minions themselves are really cool but it just feels so slow and clunky.

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I counter that by pressing A repeatedly while I walk forward, using my minions as a vanguard - at least if my character is more on the squishy side.

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There are speed affixes. There is a teleport with minions, there is A in the end. I don’t see the problrem.

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Wow, are you for real?

Teleport with minions is 3 maximum AFAIK. Doesn’t help zoo builds. And A is “walk here”, so if you don’t click on an enemy directly, they’ll just run in that direction and then look for enemies to attack.

I feel like Sartheris’s video is a big exaggerated for effect, as I would have just moved closer or used ‘A’, but ‘A’ really needs to be “Move and Attack” causing the minions to start attacking as soon as they’re in range. At the bare minimum

Not saying I agree with anything, but Skeletal Mage node teleports up to 9 minions and the experimental affix on T7 is 10 to 12 minions.

Thanks for the correction. I was only thinking about the affix and I’ve only seen the affixes as T1 and couldn’t be bothered to look it up.

Edit: I’m so confused as to why my comments sometimes lose the quotes!

If you quote the whole post, the forum removes the quote, as you’re simply replying in that case. It only keeps it when you either quote just a part of do separate quotes for the whole thing (as in, addressing each part individually).

I get it. But it’s frustrating lol. Sometimes I want the full quote for context. In threads like this, it’s whatever, but in longer threads it helps to have the full comment being replied to in the post.

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You can quote the whole thing and leave out the last dot or something :wink:
Also, I think that if you edit something in the quote, it will still quote it, like changing a word or adding a space.

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Please explain how I am exaggerating anything, it is literally in the game, in a monolith, and happened at least twice for like 20 mins

Just to clarify, I didn’t mean that you were doing something shady, but more putting emphasis on how bad the minion AI by standing there and doing nothing to showcase that the minions will literally just stand there.

I used “exaggerated for effect” because in standard play, you wouldn’t just be standing there watching one minion attack while the other two dick off by your side. You’d direct them back in, even if it’s out of frustration.

So you didn’t do anything wrong, you just showed how they act without player input, which is not typically how it would go in standard play. I’ve literally experienced what you’re talking about as I sighed and pressed A to send them back into the fray.

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You can also check my other post, with more exaggerated videos. Feel free to prove me wrong again

No one is proving you wrong??

I’m just saying that 99% of players aren’t naturally going to stand around and not do anything while their one minion is fighting and the others just dick around. So your post is exaggerating the bad AI to prove your point. Which is a legitimate thing to do.

A hyperbole is a figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect; it’s an extravagant statement. In adjective form, the term is hyperbolic. The concept is also called overstatement.
Key Takeaways: Hyperbole

  • When you exaggerate something, you’re using hyperbole.
  • Hyperbole is everywhere, from a conversation about a good meal you ate, to comedy acts, to literature.
  • A simile or metaphor might compare things, but they don’t have to be exaggerations.

Your video is a form of hyperbole as you’re not showcasing gameplay that a player would typically perform to showcase the way that minion AI operates.

Again, you didn’t do anything shady or wrong. And I wasn’t proving you wrong.

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See, the thing is, it’s not exaggeration because this happens when I am actually playing the game, and not testing minion behavior. Even when I am actively casting spells and watching what is going on on the screen, one of the minions would do something stupid like this, and it could take me some seconds to notice it, before I can react

Ever saw people talk about getting killed by spires? Hint: it wasn’t while moving :slight_smile: So yeah, your 99% is bullshit.
Not to mention that minion builds are commonly used by players that have various physical limitations.

In case you missed it, all three minions were fighting.
Two fighting minions defeated their targets, and they stopped attacking. Instead of attacking the third target which was

  1. in combat
  2. right next to the minions in question

What you described as “hyperbole” is literally THE PROBLEM he’s talking about.

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I have to side against you on this. As a long time minion player I can say that a big part of the gameplay is simply to get close to a pack and then stay still (unless you’re being targetted by something) until the minions do their job.
And you don’t necessarily have to notice that a couple have stopped fighting, especially in bigger packs. You’re just waiting for them to return to you after killing everything.

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I think Minions usually will only engage a new target until it is not too far away from you, else they return to your side and wait for new valid targets to enter the aggro range.
If they are already engaged with a target, they continue the fight until you move even further away.
What seems to happen is that the Putrid Wraith and the Revenant finished their targets, but the target the other minion was fighting against was outside the range they engage new targets at, so they returned to your side,

What I notice is that your problems always seem to revolve around the top of the screen to the sides.

People use the term ‘isometric’ incorrectly when talking about a 30 to 45° camera angle in 3d games. LE is not an isometric game. You have a camera position in a 3d environment, leading to perspective distortion.

Distances on the screen are not equal from bottom to top. I think I wrote this already in your other post.

For demonstration, I quickly made this little circle graphic and took a screenshot from a perspective approximately like it is in the game. It shows how a circular radius gets visually distorted. The monster is farther away from you than you might think.

https://i.imgur.com/eEFbIHW.png

Just a technical explanation (speculative) of what is going on, no judgement of the quality of the minion AI or a lack thereof.

Edit: One should not forget to add the image :man_facepalming:

My full quote is

Meaning no one is just going to watch one minion fight and not do anything while their others stand next to them. It has nothing to do with players “not moving.”

Yes. And I agreed with him that this is a problem? I even said

Why are you coming at me?

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