Not saying ‘better’, that’s the wrong statement.
I wouldn’t mind it simply said.
Anything else I see as being held at gunpoint basically. I don’t act on things like ‘do this or…’. I enjoy being the one in control of my actions and when I see a - even unspoken but very much expected - deal to be changed then I simply call it out first and then fall back and wait. Letting it burn is absolutely fine.
And yes, the ‘roadmap’ is a joke. It’s not making their situation better in being perceived well. Which would solve a lot of issues, but EHG sadly dropped the ball entirely when it comes to anything but shallow answers. They solely had to stay silent and do a ‘No Man’s Sky’ or instead the opposite and sit down with a in-depth ‘all open’ interview with proper preparation. This middle-way is always damaging.
No I said it’s actually free 2 play now because of how GGG set up the early access since PoE is a well known free 2 play format. You keep ignoring that. You keep going on about a narrative you want to push instead of an actual facts in the discussion. You are trolling.
PoE 2 also will launch in 2026.
Either way PoE obviously has the better and more successful format for it’s player and company. It’s a shame that EHG and Last Epoch failed and now is going what most people consider pay 2 win and why EHG and Last Epoch is getting so much push back compared to the free 2 play PoE system.
I said it’s technically free 2 play now and when it launches will be fully free 2 play. However it makes no difference whether you play it now or when it fully launches… BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME THING!!! YOU GET THE SAME VALUE!!! SO IT IS FREE 2 PLAY NOW!!! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN PRICE NOW OR WHEN IT LAUNCHES. GGG knows how to market and rewards their players.
(I’m not sure what people aren’t understanding) Sigh…
A paid expansion is an acceptable format, pay 2 win and paid DLC classes/systems are not. I’m sorry like most people I’m not going to support a game that has pay 2 win and paid classes/systems. Last Epoch had a good run. It’s a shame a game I loved is now dead.
I tried to support EHG with a supporter pack so they wouldn’t go down a dark path but they made to many massive mistakes along the way with their monetization and promises. Now we are here. (EHG shouldn’t of kept everyone in the dark about their financial problems until it was too late.) They shouldn’t of used Reddit for communication, they failed at marketing and communication. They focused on the wrong things. They messed up years ago due to lack of experience.
Again no one is going to gripe about the cost of an expansion which is acceptable. Everyone is going to gripe about pay 2 win and classes/systems you have to pay for. EHG messed up. There is no other way to see it.
Yeah and if you compare it to airplaines it’s another calculation. Or if you compare PC games with board games. Go play chess dude 10 bucks and you can play it for thousands of hours your whole life. Go on and never look back.
People can complain about 20-30 € as much as they want it’s up to them.
Let me paint a picture and problem with your analogy.
LE is like paying an admission to an all you can drink bar. Then you get in you see someone with this really cool drink in this chalice. You ask the bartender for that drink it looks cool and he says that will be 20 bucks. You say hey wait I paid to get in for all you can drink!! The bartender says well that isn’t for the specialty items.
That is what LE is now and it sucks. It’s why people are upset, you pay now and again anytime they want to create some specialty item. It’s not a fair system because it can be abused by Krafton in whatever cash grab they need to cover the cost of buying EHG.
This is why people are pissed. EHG just drove people to other games that won’t be abusing them monetarily.
Yes & no. If you had previously bought enough supporter packs then you got a free key, so for those people PoE 2 was free because of the support they’d shown PoE 1. For anyone else, no, they needed to buy a supporter pack to get a key, I was a bit under the threashold, slightly more than the cost of the cheapest PoE 2 supporter pack.
So it’s not actually f2p now as you say, there are conditions that not everyone meets.
Tbf, very few companies ever do that because it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You tell everyone that things aren’t going well & all of a sudden your suppliers start demanding payment up front rather than their usual credit terms, your bank/lenders/creditors start wanting to have conversations with you about repaying the debt you owe them because you’ve just told them that things aren’t going well & they don’t want to loose their capital/investment/whatever, etc.
NO, well this has nothing to do with what I was saying. I didn’t play PoE 1 and I still got PoE 2 free 2 play.
Wrong, there are no conditions. Poe 2 is actually free 2 play. What I said is 100% completely true here.
There is no difference in price if you play PoE 2 now or when it launches. None at all.
It has nothing to do with PoE 1. They marketed PoE 2 the same way as PoE 1 and so you aren’t paying anything extra for early access of PoE 2.
Please inform me how PoE 2 has any extra prices associated with it right now? It doesn’t.
Again GGG was very smart and it was important to GGG for everyone who engages with PoE 2 early access to be free 2 play. That’s why it is free 2 play. This is why 2 million people signed up for early access and they got an overwhelming response when they announced this.
I don’t agree, EHG didn’t have to be terrible with communication or make a poor choice to mostly use Reddit as an echo chamber. EHG didn’t have to do a horrendous job at marketing and fail to correct situations when they made big mistakes or address them.
EHG messed up with everything from marketing, launching, content, decision making, communication. Which is why they ended up financially in a bad situation then only talked about it on Reddit or places that could be missed so their community didn’t know they needed support.
Companies spend way way way less on marketing and communication than EHG and become a huge success because they didn’t make mistakes. Take indie games like Megabonk which like many I been enjoying while waiting for PoE 2 new season.
That’s nice! However as an accountant with a smidge more experience in this area, there’s a reason why companies very rarely talk about financial performance especially when it’s poor. Hell, if they’re traded on a stock market & they have excellent results but the market expected better they can still be negatively affected despite doing really well!!
Totally agree.
That is my understanding/belief, yes.
That’s what I saw when I googled it on my phone (not logged into my steam account). Last I checked, paying for something which includes a key means that key is not free. However, given that GGG does generally “give the full value in points” I can see where he’s coming from. But it’s definitely a bit of mental tautology to say that one “didn’t pay for it” if they got a key by buying a supporter pack.
Which means PoE 2 is the same price now as when it fully launches. If I wait to play PoE 2 when it launches I’m not paying less. Again GGG was smart and wanted to maintain the free 2 play title of PoE 2. Which is why it got a wonderful response in early access.
GGG didn’t have to make PoE 2 free 2 play in early access they could of just charged you money and said nope you get nothing for it. They could of just charged you for a key but they didn’t do that did they. Again smart marketing and rewarding players by keeping PoE 2 free 2 play.
Will you pay any additional money to play PoE 2 now vs when it fully launches as a brand new player? No. You are using some mental gymnastics here. GGG when they announced PoE 2 early access they gave you a token worth the value in whatever you want (stash tabs, cosmetics etc.)
If you are getting the same value now in PoE 2 vs when PoE 2 fully launches. It’s the exact same. No difference! That means it is currently free 2 play.
When I got early access to PoE 2 I was rewarded with what the game would be when it’s free 2 play. I don’t know how else to word it. If you get PoE 2 now it won’t cost you more when you get PoE 2 latter.
Think about it in this term:
If you want to play the game now versus if you want to play the game after release… to do that how much less is on your bank account?
I still have to buy something. That is - by definition - not free.
As someone owning about 20 premium stash tabs (from before special stash tabs were a thing) and the good-to-have special tabs (currency, maps, and a few others, don’t remember them all), those 300 points basically do nothing for me. I have no clue what I will do with those points, they are gathering dust right now.
I never bought a cosmetic in PoE.
Not that I complain, I happily paid GGG for all the entertainment they provided me with throughout the years.
You don’t have anything less though. It’s the same. Are you guys trolling? I know there isn’t anything to do in LE right now and the forums are more fun. Not sure how long you can keep this up though.
Which is the same price for what you get after it launches. It’s the same price. Paying 30 dollars now vs 30 dollars latter. Your bank account is the same.
You are getting what you would buy when it’s free now. So it is free. You are paying the same price now vs latter.
Again GGG didn’t have to do this. But they are goated with this move. They could of just charged you for early access but they didn’t. This is why millions signed up for early access.
It isn’t. PoE 2 is marketed as a free 2 play game because it is.
I’m not spending anymore money in early access then I would after launch.
Getting PoE 2 now with your pick of 30 dollars in stash tabs or cosmetics vs launch when you buy those items. Equals the same price.
My bank account will remain the same getting PoE 2 early access vs waiting to launch. It’s why PoE 2 had the massive early access response it did because GGG wanted to maintain their free 2 play marketing and rewarded it’s players.
Again GGG didn’t have to do that. They could of just charged everyone for early access but I doubt they would of had millions sign up. Instead they said here is what we are going to do to make PoE 2 early access free 2 play.
Which earns GGG a lot of bonus points and why people love them as a studio.
I doubt PoE 2 would of taken over the ARPG market if they didn’t make it free 2 play during their early access. They were able to grab the diablo players and pull from other popular ARPGs. This is what smart marketing looks like and other game studios should take notes.
It’s not you just fail to understand the discussion.
If my friend starts playing PoE 2 today they will not spend anymore money vs waiting for it’s launch. They are getting the same thing just like me and the millions that have early access. This is why PoE 2’s early access was so successful another part of the discussion you keep ignoring.
Your mental gymnastics don’t hold up to the facts and reality of the situation. This is why millions of people have played PoE 2 early access. GGG made it free 2 play.
