Free to play PoE 2 with eventually 12 classes FOR FREE or LE with 12 paid classes eventually in B2P game funny how this game gonna die within a year their last league already had massive decline in players i had fun while it lasted wont lie about that spoent 500h on LE guess i got my money worth from it
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Cool and guess what all expansions and added game content is free.
wah wah wah gotta pay for paradox classes when I have no idea what a paradox class even is or will consist of wah wah
They are straight forward and honest with community and literally stated they needed to find more ways to monetize hence the krafton acquisition, also stated from the start theyâd never add paid expansions and content to do in game, a class to do said content is a good way to make this needed money and keep this game going for long term, by the time expansion is out games gonna have substantially more content, look at D4 season 1 and season 10, huge difference in terms of gameplay and content, and guess what? you had to pay for an expansion + a class in that game
LE we get that expansion for free
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you will white knight this game even if its gonna drop to 10 concurent players their last league already had massive decline in players their next league will have even less wahh wahh im white knight wahh wahh this is best game ever wahh wahh
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As soon as EHG is delivering quality content Iâll revisit LE. For now I wonât touch it because it went downhill from 0.8ish for my personal taste. So I donât care about their speedrun into nothingness by the descissions they make right now because they started to nail the coffin a long time ago.
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Once they had to sell to Krafton [the same company involved in the Subnautica 2 mess] they lost everything they had going for them. They lost independence, they lost being one of small guys, they lost being in control of their promises. They lost everything and now Krafton is just going to try to make their money back and paid classes are just the start.
They actually arenât. If you reread people who currently own the game get the expansion for free, but otherwise it still has a price. Thereâs also no guarantee that future ones will be free either. Also PoE doesnât charge for content either soâŚ
Not advocating for either side just pointing out the facts.
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cool story bro. enjoy your backpack as your stash
Expansions are free but added game content is not.
Pretty sure everyone would much rather pay for an expansion then have pay 2 win added into the game. (which makes the future of content unclear on the costs to the players) LE mast a mistake by promising to never have expansions cost money. We didnât care if expansions cost money itâs better than pay2win.
Now we go down a much darker road of paid 2 win content at Kraftonâs leisure anytime they need money they will add Classes/content via a pay wall.
Pardox classes is added content and the new systems they provide. Think everyone would much rather pay 30 bucks for an expansion instead of a pay wall for new systems over and over again. Make no mistake Kraton will try to bleed everyoneâs pockets with these new systems they will charge for to make the 100 million and turn LE profitable.
LE will be AAA pricing in cost to stay upto date with the content every year.
Feel free to bookmark this. LE will cost over 100 bucks a year to stay upto date in content. Krafton gonna be dropping 2 Paradox classes at once to make money. New systems and cost every 4 months.
This is just common sense.
Making conjectures about the future based on a whisper of a concept Iâd hardly call common sense. Do you really think the same company that does only one class overhaul every 3 to 4 months is going to churn out 2 paradox classes regularly?
Also people definitely care if expansions cost money, itâs been the other side of the coin for this entire conversation. Honestly the proposed concept that a paid for class doesnât prevent current classes from doing content was a pretty reasonable response to why dlc class over expansion cost.
Iâm an overly cynical person when it comes to businesses and publishers specifically but even I think this doomsday prophecy is over the top
Now that Krafton is in charge yes. They didnât spend 100 mil for nothing. The whole point of Krafton stepping in was to turbo charge content releases because they have the resources EHG doesnât.
No they actually donât. Expansions costing money is a basic concept just like paying for a game. What isnât okay is pay 2 win which is what we have now instead of just a basic expansion cost.
One is okay and one is not. We went down the path of not okay and this is why everyone is upset and stepping away from LE. The writing was on the wall some time ago though.
Where do you get this from? EHG stated this expansion is free. There is not a single mention of following expansions after that one. Actually the wording is made in a way you can expect any follow-ups to cost something and the current one being solely free to placate the community. Which is a reasonable move plainly spoken.
They were that once back in the days. It stopped ever more when it got close to release and nearly vanished completely after and turned into PR talk.
A class is contentâŚ
Itâs common sense when you follow the history of the company and how it adjusted over time.
Itâs just the most likely outcomes. Glad if itâs not⌠but common sense to think about the highest chances of whatâll happen and act accordingly.
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I agree with Krafton itâs definitely better to err on the side of caution. Iâd agree thatâs common sense. Saying bookmark this and see that just to play the game costs $100 a year is not.
As for paying for expansions where were you when the expansion being charged for first was announced? Did you miss the entirety of that? There are STILL people in the forums right now in the thread detailing dlc characters saying they shouldnât have to pay for expansions or anything else citing that EHG stated you would never have to pay for content going forward. I donât know how you missed all of that.
Yeah, and they shouldnât.
But if given a choice between a expansion and a DLC character then many choose to pick the expansion simply.
Shouldnât be either.
And my notion there? I think EHG provided the awful information this way to reduce the impact when they âsteer backâ, basically turning it into a sort of âwinâ for returning to the future expansions being paid and classes simply included there.
As for the 100⏠price-point⌠sure, hyperbole likely⌠put also possible, wouldnât be the first game going this route.
I mean⌠if we look at TL:I it was if I remember right 5⏠per class⌠could be wrong there entirely though.
Sure, they changed it since then and now all is unlockable in-game (good move) but that was the former state.
And since you had I think 3 classes per league and their leagues are seasonal with a battle-pass (which includes em) it means 4 times 15⏠which is 60⏠per year solely for the classes. No MTX, no rolls for their god-awful gatcha crap. Thatâs already coming close.
The question is⌠how much per year is acceptable? I would argue that a yearly expansion for EHG is a viable methodology⌠which at a price-point of 30⏠is doable for most and acceptable even⌠but then their supporter packs? Theyâll just fizzle out completely, nobody wants to âsupportâ a company which âsupports itselfâ so to say. Itâs the perception-wise purely a transactional aspect without any attachment in the form of âwe wanna helpâ. Which is how the support-based games get such a great standing with customers after all.
Worst-case they could also keep the character unlocks + have future expansions be paid given the wording⌠that would means several classes a year which - if they follow the price-range of EHG - being each between 10-30⏠per, plus a expansion which is to be expected to be around 30⏠as well⌠and then we have a high chance to even go beyond 100⏠easily.
In my language thereâs a saying âKleinvieh macht Mistâ. Which translated means basically âsmall animals also do crapâ. Low costs together piling up into big ones.
I think itâs a little early to get that worried. Itâs basically a slippery slope argument, if this expansion makes money then they will make every season an expansion, if the dlc class makes money then they will make every class and mastery cost money. And if those are making money every time they release then we will release them faster and faster.
Slippery slope. A doesnât necessarily become B which doesnât necessarily become C, but if you want to look at the absolute worst possible outcome then you can basically say anything as long as you are willing to connect the dots.
I never tried TLI, the second it was a phone game turned PC I knew exactly what it would be so Iâm not surprised I was right.
The thing is even with this worst case scenario, being just the worst of the worst, the answer then is to just stop supporting the company. If you are already in the once bitten twice shy with Krafton, then sure be leery about your purchases. Donât buy day 1 and wait and see what other people say about it, or just cut your losses now and just walk away. If you wonât buy the expansions or dlc on principle alone then enjoy the ride until then with the carefree attitude knowing itâs finite. Hope for the best and expect her worst, and all that.
Iâm firmly in the mindset of we will see what state the game is in on release before I make any decisions about it.
Edit: Oh and Iâm 100% in the expansions and classes should come together in a package, itâs just way more appealing anyways, and maybe going forward they will. But this move was definitely to placate people not wanting to be charged for an expansion while finding a way to still make money to keep making more LE.
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Expect the worst, hope for the best 
Makes life a lot easier.
As for every season⌠impossible, they cannot get the content together to not cause substantial damage in basically no time to themselves and go bancrupt because even white-knights wouldnât be able to afford it. Itâs always a balancing act to ensure just enough people stay to allow the whales to give up their money. Because too little people and even for them it becomes unfeasable.
Try it out. Gameplay wise itâs at the top-tier of the genre still, some UI issues but otherwise? It got good crafting, it got good mechanics, it got good bosses. The only downside is the presentation as the style is a bit overburdened in how asian-style games are done at times.
And obviously⌠but we also can speak out the fears and what we think is likely to happen. Which is supposed to sway peopleâs notion after all in a direction, being it more or less wary. Thatâs how the community perception at the grand stage is created after all. Stuff happenes⌠people talk about it⌠people get informed this way.
Yes Iâm all for informed, as long as it isnât alarmist. I like the facts right now, not what may or may not happen in a future that hasnât even begun yet. Voiced concerns with the information we have right now is good, the direction you fear it will go in is fine, extremism in any form doesnât really help the discussion regardless of what side you are on.
Itâs a little rough waiting till next year for a new season honestly, which is the only next thing I can actually base anything off of. I was angry at the outset of an expansion announcement mostly cause I felt the game wasnât polished enough to warrant it. Knowing itâs quite a ways off gives me cautious optimism, but can only wait and see what happens. Hoping for the best though 
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I played through Torchlight 1 and 2 and liked them well enough. I might look into TLI.
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Couldnât say it better.
All this doom & gloom is unnecessary and doesnât lead anywhere.
If things turn out as bad as people think it will be we can talk again about it.
Liking TL1 and 2 doesnât really matter though. TLI has nothing to do with what Torchlight was in the past. It just took the branding, but the product is something entirely different.
While it is not a bad game, it really is more for the eastern market. There are many monetization methods in that game that are not very much liked in the western market, which is a shame, because the foundation is a great game.
But TLI is essentially kinda what people think LE will become.
I presume you missed the dumpster fire that was the expansion announcement thread & a lot of posters (which TBF is a relatively small minority, but then so is the number of people posting about not wanting to pay for a class 
) loosing their shit about the possiblity that the expansion was going to be paid.
But whoâs going to be paying for it initially? The vast majority of people will be getting it for free, any cash paid will be in the long tail.
Would you rather things turn out badly & then get to bitch about it saying âI told you soâ rather than give them feedback (which is effectively what all of this bitching is) so that theyâll be more well informed before things go badly?
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But the way and tone people do it is something I dislike. We can have talk about what we would not like to see before it happens, of course.
But the vast majority of people already condemn LE for things that have not even happened yet, that does not help in a constructive discussion.
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If people want to provide feedback that is taken into consideration, âbitchingâ is usually a way to get ignored.
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