Yeah, poor choice of words on my part.
If a developer ignores âbitchingâ then theyâre not fit to be in any form of customer relations, hence they should get the fuck out of especially live-service right away and not come back in that case because they picked the wrong sector to provide their product in.
Customer interaction - good and bad, nice and unreasonable - is a integral part of running any form of service.
Listen to unreasonable stuff is unreasonable no matter how you look at it.
At the end of the day itâs easy. If you messed up or act like youâll mess up for sure and people get mad about it or frustrated or realy angry you know said people are at least emotionaly invested.
If you messed up or act like youâll mess up and people praise you for whatever youâll do because of⌠reasons⌠you either learn from it or keep on messing stuff up.
If people donât care and the most you get back is âWho are you again?â before they move on you never touched them in any way shape or form and they donât care.
If I was in EHGâs shoes I wouldâve been a happy panda for years because the community speaks up freely and showes me when I mess up and what i could do better and I would happiely take any form of feedback even when I made somone so mad he calls me an incompetent idoit for not getting the obvious point.
Still I wonât listen to unreasonable stuff like making LE a third person souls like tomorrow because reasons.
GGG ignored the bitching feedback about their cancerous trade system for decades (until they didnât & implemented 2 much improved ways to trade, one of which they could charge more ÂŁ$⏠for).
Every game costs money in some way. Free to play games all have angles that make money. POE2 cost me like 80 bucks to get into where its somewhat comfortable. Diablo games just have a flat cost with some optional MTX that you spend with plat that comes with the game price. Same with Grim Dawn or Titan Quest.
If anytime something sounds too good to be true like âeverything free is forever!11!!1â then guess what, champs? It is too good to be true.
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Iâd rather voice my displeasure when they say they are going to do something rather than when they have already done it. Seems more constructive to me.
I donât expect the game to be free forever, I would even consider buying an expansion if it was actually good. But to do this after neglecting their intended income stream is a shoddy move. They donât get to cry poverty because they didnât make anything decent to sell.
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Anyone learning how to take emotionally based âfeedbackâ (which nigh every comment is) professionally learns how to simply pass over the stuff which has no value and actually reading solely the bits which relay information rather then emotion.
If you differ between them then itâs suddenly useful again. Now you only need to question if thatâs the root cause or a symptom still⌠which you need to do anyway.
Emotion is a form of feedback as well.
But yeah, thatâs not quite what youâre talking about⌠and obviously âout of the left fieldâ stuff is another topic in itself, more then enough coming from random thought directions⌠but thatâs also a skill to differ between that and others. Commonly the showcase is âhere is the problemâ and all other stuff is âmaybe and maybe notâ. Solutions fall in this category.
Yeah, and as you know Iâve talked about that as one of the biggest downsides from GGG as well, together with their overall former QoL stance which theyâre overthrowing finally. The 1.0 success of LE was a wake-up call for them luckily⌠so something good came from the game for the future even should it now crash and burn⌠at least something.
But a lot of people here do assumptions and condemn what will happen after or they are saying they are quitting/stop supporting because EHG will do X Y or Z, which they havnât done yet.
So instead they throw around some sensational things that they think will happen, which is not the case yet.
Staying true to the facts that we have right now and giving opinions and arguments about that is fine. That is very much what EHG always worked with and even changed some of their decisions based on such feedback.
But going down this sensational and populistic approach doesnât help at all. It just leads to pitchfork arguments with no factual basis.
I canât remember that off the top of my head but Iâll take yoru word for it.
While itâs good to learn from oneâs own mistakes, itâs even better to learn from others, so I suspect GGG saw how MG functioned (or didnât) in LE & how it could be better & saw that the game didnât implode (I think? Maybe?).
Or when Chris âdecided to seek opportunities outside of GGGâ there was less of a hardened view on never having any form of asynchronous trading.
It is, but itâs also quite difficult to turn an emotional response into something actionable, other than âthis person really does/does not like this thingâ.
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I think thatâs because itâs hard to feel optimistic after having seen these kinds of things happen too many times.
I will argue against what they have said they will do now, but I am certain more shady things will follow once they go down this path. I hope I am wrong, I really do. But sadly thatâs not what history shows, especially after corporate aquisitions.
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If you are losing your shit about paid expansions you are low IQ, honestly you donât understand anything and canât be taken seriously. Sometimes people are dumb and their loud minority incorrect low IQ take should be disregarded. I think everyone can agree with that if you have the cognitive abilities.
Another problem EHG had is their lack of experience didnât allow them to filter out these low IQ takes as just noise. These are very creative Devs but they (never have run a gaming company before and was a startup passion project.) When you run a company you need to filter out and disregard terrible low IQ background chatter from the community.
Which is why mistakes were made, overpromises happened which they should of never done because it was bad business. This is why now they did a deal with the Devil and the Devil wonât save LE.
Low IQ vocal minority of people can gripe all they want about a paid expansion but those people are just idiots and donât understand gaming much less business. Their opinions should of been disregarded as vocal minority and can play another game and the MAJORITY wouldnât be in this mess.
- EHG has found out the hard way what happens when you allow the low IQ% of a community to be heard. You lose money, and are forced into no win situations which requires you to be bought out by Krafton to keep your dreams alive.
Iâm not trying to be mean, itâs just how things work. EHG made the crucial mistake of trying to make everyone happy instead of just making who matters happy. Now Krafton owns LE and they arenât going to listen to any of the community because they are here to make money.
Yep, thatâs basically it. They always feared that the market would literally âimplode in momentsâ without the friction of the frustration of manual trading.
Didnât happen and while some prices have substancially changed (as expected) the system is so much more comfortable that people are overall happier then ever.
I mean⌠as long as the actual game isnât finished yet an expansion is simply premature, so the gripe is viable until then.
And afterwards it depends solely on the quality of the expansion.
And the gripe of being told âthat wouldnât happenâ and it now happening is also fair.
Sure⌠itâs expected to happen but doesnât mean you canât be miffed about it. The question is only for how many people itâll be a dealbreaker⌠and even more so how many people fall off afterwards over the long-term from that decision. Because that itâll be less users then it was before is kinda to be expected with that going forward until quality makes up for the cost.
How are u playing POE2 for free isnt it like 35euros or something plus all the tabs since its unplayable without them
Depends if you paid so much into PoE 1 that PoE 2 becomes free or not 
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PoE 2 will be free 2 play and technically already is. PoE 1 is free 2 play and anything bought there also transfers too PoE 2. PoE 2 is now doing free 2 play weekends when they release new seasons so you can play for free to see if you like the game. This is smart and if EHG did things like this they would of been profitable.
When PoE 2 launches it will be fully free 2 play.
- Keep in mind that if you do buy early access of PoE 2 you do get the money spent paid in tokens to buy stash tabs for free. Since PoE 2 is a free 2 play game. (So you arenât really paying for PoE 2.) Since you are being rewarded for the price of early access.
Stash tabs cost money because the game is free. PoE has a very successful business model which I will gladly be partaking in for the foreseeable future since EHG is going down a road I donât want to support.
As mentioned above though if you buy early access PoE 2 you can spend that value of the purchase on stash tabs.
Maybe LE figures it out in a few years, maybe they donât.
Yeah but letâs take myself as an example. My response to Boss Ward was kind of explosive. I hated it with all my heart and it tilted me completely. I gave feedback about it and first of all mentioned that I canât put my finger on it but x, y, z is happening. After some time things got clearer as other players offered some input as well. So feedback because of feelings lead somewhere.
At least you have some kind of feedback but often times Devs should know pretty well what impact their descissions have when they work in a gaming niche that is only there because it delivers dopmine hits while it is the definition of insanity.
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You know what isnât free? Last Epoch, to play the game you have to buy it first. I would get your âtoo good to be trueâ thing, if LE was F2P, but it isnât.
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oh my gooses! you mean games cost money to play? WHO INVENTED THIS MADNESS?!
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For fuckâs sake, donât be that dense.
Your argument was âBut PoE costs as well!â
The counterargument is âLE has already cost something, so asking more is kinda against the premise they setâ.
Nobody argues if a product should cost something or not in the first place.
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Imagine the audacity to charge money for an expansion; not for the new content itself, but for the new class it contains. The agony of not having that new shiny will drive players into madness. Perhaps even turn them into mindless zombies. Maybe this is how the Walking Dead started?
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