Oh absolutely. I’m not surprised. If you just want to fill all you item slots with an upgrade and are not greedy (eg just going for 0LP uniques or perfect rolled rares initially), them MG is your friend and you will improve your gear cheaply and instantly (rep grind is the main issue here).
It’s only if you are greedy and want perfect Exalts and 3LP uniques right off the bat that it is going to cost a fortune. (And the rep grind to buy Exalted requires rank 7 and that is a huge grind).
All I can say to this is I’ve played this game for 3000 hours and so I have played the crafting game. I have many Alts, all in great gear, all carefully and lovingly min-maxed over years via crafting.
Without exception, once I had the rep, several of those crafting-fuelled Alts walked up to MG and within minutes had major upgrades in many slots.
Took minutes.
To make improvements over what had taken me years to craft.
Not sure what else to say.
so if you drop a blue (magic) jade amulet with 2 needed affixes your lootfilter wont show it cos it’s magic?
Also, you can remove/change unnecessary stats on an item with 1) glyph of chaos (random yeah but still can give smth useful instead) 2) glyph of despair.
Make a rule that shows all amuletes with affixes you need (physical, fire dmg, chance to ignite) then state in that rule that an items must have at least 2 of those affixes. Put that rule on top of all other rules above them.
Use Glyph of Hope whenever possible. Exalted items are much more suitable for crafting because they have good FP. Use CoF Observatory - buy lenses for exalted items and use them in the accessory telescope. Find good amulets prophecies.
Yeah you are literaly talking about how you min max characters. You are the guy that farms 300 hours to get the same exact item but from +27 spell damage to +29. That has nothing to do with what I assume this guy is complaining about in this thread. Also in your 3000 hours do tell me how many thousands Glyphs of Hope did you use and “none” of them worked like the guy talks about. This guy is just here to complain about dumb stuff while you talk about getting the highest end kind of upgrades possible which guess what…in almost any game requires a lot of work if you do not use or if the game does not have any kind of trade among other players because it is almost impossible to get it yourself like it should be honestly.
What lovely sentiment. But I’ll bite here: please explain what I’m doing wrong.
Here’s what I see everytime I try and craft something:
-11 FP. -18 FP. -15 FP. I picked up every single blue or higher jade amulet and tried to craft over 100 times just for some mediocre affixes and saw this every single attempt. I never saw single digits FP loss in over 100 bricked amulets. It’s not like I wasn’t trying to craft over and over and over and over and over again. So please, tell me what I was supposed to be doing.
Just saw your screenshot and I had to reply. You simply dont craft in LE like that.
I seriously recommend you go search up crafting and itemisation videos on youtube or elsewhere like the older posts on crafting on this forum.
In short (based on my thousands of hours and stash tabs full of exalted T20+ items):
You dont craft on Normal or Magic items - EVER! - LE doesnt work this way. Maybe you can waste a little crafting mats in the campaign to bolster drops and fix resists etc but definitely not when you are level 80+
Rares or better yet - Exalteds - at lvl 80+ you should be crafting on exalted items by now and farming 90+ monoliths.
You keep your lootfilter very open and non restrictive to find crafting bases with the affixes you need - dont look for a specific upgrade, look for an “adjacent” upgrade that can be crafted on. Dont look for high tiers of a specific affix - just look for the affix. Dont add multiple affix requirements to a single filter - the probability of finding an item with more than one affix you need gets mathematically bad - especially when the gear item has a large number of possible valid affixes.
Depending on your level and min/maxing, look for items to craft on that have at least T10 total affixes - very important as you have realised - you can lose a lot of FP so there i no point in trying to start with a T5 item and hope to make it into a T20 upgrade.
Use Glyphs of Hope on EVERY craft & learn Chaos crafting to “swap” bad affixes for others. Runes of Discovery are another way of adding rnd affixes - sometimes you get lucky.
Collect affix shards from items that are not ideal for crafting but have the affixes you need - Runes of Removal & Shattering for this purpose. Its very important to collect shards especially for when you get to the 80+ levels and you have to gear up.
when you craft, dont slam one affix to T5 before the others, spread out the luck of Hope glyphs and hope for critical crafts …
I hope you take this in the spirit its intended… and please, go watch some of the videos available
I crafted on literally every jade amulet that dropped man. I wasn’t just doing it on magic items. I bought that ring from a vendor to demonstrate the -FP I was getting and it bricked on the first craft, I didn’t put the +5 elemental resist on it (it was already there).
My loot filter was open to literally every jade amulet of magic rarity or higher. To craft on exalted, you need them to drop. I never saw a single exalted one drop, sadly. For the rares- not one dropped with affixes I needed, so crafting on these is typically trying to remove affixes and then pop on the ones you want. But doing that’s an extra step in the crafting, which means you get another -15 FP for doing that, which means you only get one or two more hits before your item bricks.
Thats the first problem - you only crafted on Jade amulets… Restricting yourself to a single subtype just for an implicit means you are probably missing out on hundreds of other possibilities - e.g. you could get the attack speed on something else and use a different amulet with the affixes you need to get a net increase overall. This kind of mixing and matching and swapping things around based on the loot you find is a VERY important part of LE. There are many different ways of skinning a cat in the game.
Another fault. Vendored items have limited FP - usually crap low compared to drops that are viable for crafts. the FP randomised cost of crafting is sometimes frustrating but its not insurmountable if you start off correctly and use the tools the game gives you to mitigate the issue. Crafting needs the FP limits or everyone would run around with T24+ items after a few weeks of play.
If you were only looking for an exalted jade amulet with multiple affixes you want then I am not surprised. That a fools errand.
Exalted items drop like hotcakes in empowered monoliths - I hardly pick them up anymore… If you are running empowered monos, the only reason for this to not be what you are seeing can only be a restrictive filter… I cannot think of any other reason…
Nope… Not how you should do it, its too rng. Murphys law will either take the affix you wanted off or use up a lot of FP when your use Removals… Chaos crafting is better in this instance. Sometimes using a removal is your only choice but 9/10 times it just wastes FP.
Items never brick in LE. Its usually still usable - it may not be an upgrade but its not dead or worthless - in fact, if you dont need to eqiup it, you can shatter and get back some if not all of the shards on it to try again on something else.
I mean I see the user Vapourfire already replied to you and showed you that ya cant craft and just blame the game for your own mistakes. He was even nice enough to not insult you like I would…again and even showed you what you might/definitely you are doing wrong. There was no bait. I meant what I said. You suck at crafting.
You seem to be misunderstanding my example here. I pointed that out because that’s all I see when trying to craft: double digit FP losses. The base is irrelevent, I merely purchased that ring as an example. I’m not buying vendor food to craft on and use.
I was looking for a jade amulet yes, but I wasn’t being crazy about wanting all the affixes from the get go: I only care about one affix- increased healing effectiveness. I actually don’t care what base this came in on, but I was trying to craft for jade amulets because its by far BIS as that 10-15 IAS from the jade amulet is nearly 1000 effective HP for a healing hands build. It’s hard to give up 1k effective HP since you cant craft melee attack speed on an amulet. You want IAS on every item possible, simply because not having it means you lose massive amounts of effective HP. It’s not simply a matter of “oh just get the IAS on something else”, when not getting the IAS aon the amulet means you lose 1000 HP.
But here’s the other thing- I also never got an exalted healing effectiveness drop. So I basically picked up every jade amulet I found, and tried crafting healing effectiveness onto it, but never managed to get it past t2 or so, because even rares typically only have 25-30 FP and I was never getting it to drop with the increased healing effectiveness to start with (meaning I had to pull affixes off, burning FP).
Perhaps you missed my comment on “thousands of hours” playing this game.
I understand what you are trying to do and I have played every healing effectiveness build in the game - easily with over 1k healing effectiveness. I understand the way ARPGs work where you have mix and match and sacrifice offence for defence and vice versa… its how ARPGs work and definitely how min/maxing works… I have many lvl 100 chars where I have spent hundreds of hours min maxing just for an additional 100% increase damage or boosted health or some other obscure build enabling affix. This i just normal to me.
I have offered my advice. Entirely up to you what you want to do with it. All I can offer is that if “your way” isnt working… perhaps you should consider a different one?
My man, you’ve put way too much effort into trying to help this stubborn mule already. If he were capable of that level of self-evaluation, this thread wouldn’t exist in the first place.
I did. I quit CoF, joined MG, and got all my gear after 2 minutes of rep grinding.
On the crafting side, I was also trying to drop effective healing onto other bases that had decent affixes (aside from effective healing, which just wasn’t dropping on anything), but it just wasn’t happening there either- a couple of crafts and then out of FP, and I wasn’t going to lose 1000 HP for a t3 healing affix.
The best base type for a Sentinel chest armor is level 84 (which you should be using unless you have a build enabling unique in that slot). So, if your gear is 60 or even 20 levels old it sounds like the issue is you don’t know how to gear yourself.
Base types upgrades are generally huge and are usually more a difference then going from a t1 to t5 roll on your gear. So, if you haven’t gotten an upgrade in that long then you are obviously not upgrading to better base types.
As someone coming from PoE this all is really funny to me. Crafting in LE feels like an item editor or cheat console , and CoF like magicfind on crack. I barely have enough gold to buy tabs for all the loot i want to keep , both my characters found upgrades left right and center AND items that make my brain turn for what to play next. I turned of most t6 exalteds and some t7 because i just find to many, i could level weavers will items in every slot for 3 weeks straight and still had spare, i don´t even pick up 1LP items anymore, and even some 2LPs.
Prerelease finding a T7 exalted with a good stat was rare and wonderful, nowadays I filter out any exalts which doesn’t have one of the stats that build needs in CoF. I was never much a solo self-found player in ARPGs but in LE I feel like that play style is the way to go with how CoF showers you with loot.
I’m gonna say what I said in another thread here: COF will never compete with MG. COF is there for people who actively don’t like trading and like to self find items (and offline mode). MG will always be better than COF. Mathematically MG with its thousands of players will always have most items available for purchase whereas you are by yourself.
Don’t try to compare the two and be discouraged you can’t find what you want in COF. You play COF knowing MG is vastly superior and that’s ok. Accept that and make your choice.
And to the OP, people (including me) have tried to help you because your assumptions and tactics on item hunting is flawed and you’re not taking advantage of the system. I highly and sincerely recommend you change your approach. Even in MG you need to be able to craft and item hunt properly or you’re not playing the game effectively. Veterans and most people are telling you different results and mathematically it’s impossible to validate your experience because it simply doesn’t hold true.
Glyph of hope - 25% chance of costing no FP.
Critical success upgrades two tiers. Additional tier can be any affix that’s already on the item. Costs no FP.
If you fail both above, the FP loss ranges from 1 - x, x being the maximum. This number is determined by the tier of the affix.
Exalted items have more FP than rares, generally. Rares have more than magic, so on and so forth.
Rune of despair can seal an affix you don’t want. Typically used for t1 and t2 affixes because of success rate.
With all of the above, your statement that all your glyph of hope fails or that you always lose double digit FP simply does not hold true. That’s saying the devs are targeting you specifically to make sure you have a miserable time. You are being dramatic and exaggerating. Math never lies and so people will believe it over your experience.
The OP wanting to only craft on Jade Amulets is reasonable when the implicit stat is important for his build. If his Jade Amulet has 2 good affixes then a non-Jade amulet with 3 good affixes would be more of side-grade, and not really an upgrade. I’d only use a non-Jade amulet in his case if it had 4 good affixes or if it was a build-defining unique.
Not when you have t2 affixes and using since level 4.
Think of this another way: would you trade 1000 HP and 10% dps for a t5 affix over a t2 affix which would give you only a multiplicative 30% increased damage? Because that doesn’t seem like a good idea to me. Why would I ditch 10% of my total damage output and 1000 HP for something just because it has a higher item level?
As for the FP loss, I don’t know what to tell you. If I wasn’t getting double digit loss on all my crafts I wouldn’t have been using the t2 affix and would have been able to swap out the amulet to something else before I could use MG. Not much I can do about that. I showed you a screenshot of what I see everytime I craft.