Wouldn’t it be smarter to just level one of each and respec? I was leveling a necro, saw a lich build, leveled a lich. I’ve now twice respeced the necro into different necro builds and also changed the lich build for a different lich build.
The only thing I’m reading is ‘I don’t like playing the game’ when the argument is not liking to level another character, furthermore as a one time thing who will then always be available if wanting to respec into different builds.
More than this I want a mass-respec option for masteries. Having to click three times for every single mastery point is madness. It would take 20-30 minutes of clicking to change my ice mage to a fire mage.
Alright, from your post and some of your responses i can sense you don’t have much brain cells to rub together, so let’s make this as clear as possible.
Yes, you are right, It is a waste of time to play and replay the game after you alredy done it with a class. Moreover, they could easily make you respec all your character with a single press of a button.
But they won’t. The game is made to be played and replayed, sometimes as a similar class and sometimes as another class, but the point of the game is replaying it, crafting items, experiencing all classes and all they have to offer. Concordantly, 30h of gameplay for a game like LE is just pathetically low to be claiming you don’t want to put another 30h to level another character.
Plus, regaining lv20 on your spells takes less than 2 echoes if you are level 85+, 5 minutes tops. If you consider that a waste of time, i don’t know wtf you are doing playing a game like LE.
And since you keep mentioning PoE, let’s see what they do that is also “backwards progression” if you intend to play leagues: having to make another character every 3 months, wiping your stash tab clean, having to literally do all the same quests again. But sure, they let you respec your ascendancy.
You do you boo boo.
My playtime is kind of limited due to job, wife, kid and hey i play other games too.
I have around 600 hours but thats over years … so im the guy that should want total free respec right? Dedicated for sure but with lack of time…
In fact i do not care about it being possible or not … simply because i tried it like many times:
90% of the time i take one of my old chars to “reuse” it and try some new build i noticed or saw it is like this:
I respec skills and passives - wasted 20 minutes and i am allready bored for klicking around not killing anything…
I spend at least 1 hour (often 2-3) at my chest and my crafting bench (i have a lot of stash tabs) grabbing gear, crafting on it - in most cases 50% of the stuff i have now is “okay”, 25% is super bad cause i did not have any good base to craft on, and 25% of gear is very good or BiS cause it are uniques or stuff i used before. In the whole process of grabing gear i most likley made 3-5 other chars unplayable cause i stole their gear.
I jump ingame and finnaly play.
By this time im anoyed and bored of the last hours. Playing with half ass gear endgame content feels bad and i try to find out what the hell to do gameplaywise at least if its a more complex build.
I play max. 1 hour. The char feels weak, it feels “cheated”, i dont like it … i most likley never touch it again at that point.
I totaly could respecc to every build at any time. I have at least 1 (in many cases 3+) lvl 75+ chars of every mastery expect druid and weirdly i basicly stopped doing it at all because i know it kills the game for me.
If i want to try something new …
Click create char, chlick SSF … level it up till end of campaign …if i totaly lack a piece of gear now or really like to push hard i turn off SSF and start gearing through chest and crafting.
Around half the chars dont feels so good that i go on after story - but the other half feels great, feels mine and keeps going.
I dont care if any more respec options get added but i honestly belive many players would end up like me … yeah could do - but screw it feels bad.
Welcome to the forums OP.
Why stop at a respec?
Why not start the game with a level 100 character with full level 20 skills? Why not make it so that a respec gives you BiS gear immediately? In fact, why not make it so that every Empowered Mono is automatically completed as soon as you make a character?
Why stop there? Let’s make it so that all mobs immediately fall down dead as soon as you enter an instance.
I totally agree, and my idiotic examples above are the epitome of where “entitled gaming” takes us.
As I’ve said in multiple threads, I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion and that debate is a great tool for progression. That having been said though, there are limits to that imho. OP stated an opinion, and he is entitled to it. Instead of debating though, he then just simply proceeded to argue with anyone who would post a retort. Arguing is not debating.
Perhaps it’s only me, but I always find it more than a little suspicious in forums when new accounts are created and post in only one thread being hyper critical and argumentative.
That would be the question I would be asking, but it would not be directed at the people who are replying…
With the greatest of respect to your right to an opinion, it’s clearly pointed out in many places in the game, trailers, youtube, reddit, & forums that character specialisations are permanent. It’s then also clearly pointed out in the game when you choose it, that it is permanent. This is such a fundamental part of the game and affects every character that you build, that perhaps this indeed is sadly not the game for you. LE very graciously offer a 48 hour refund policy. So, having discovered that one of the game’s fundamental tenets is a polar opposite to your philosophy of gaming, perhaps you should take them up on that offer.
This is not a zero effort, “do it once”, type of game. In fact, I believe that those types of games in this genre are extremely rare. I do wish you the best of luck in finding one, and maybe one that ticks all the boxes to my questions at the start of my reply. Sadly, I won’t be joining you in that game as I like a little bit of challenge in my gaming.
The difference between the elitist mentality on this forum and the people who discuss this on steam is between day and night. Players, who have 20+ characters try to justify the lack of a fundamental RPG mechanic as “choises matter; the game is not a zero effort” and other complete nonsense, strawmanning their arguments.
It’s really simple. Marksman and Bladedance are specializations of the same class. Having to relevel another Rogue in order to play a different spec is silly, especially the time it takes to reach level 80+. Any other RPG game aknowledges that. If LE wants to compete, they will have to impliment a reliable respec system that is similar to PoE or D3. Such a system will have 0 impact over the 20+ characters “elite players”, but hey, they have to somewhat justify spending 600h in an early access of a game, I guess. The thing I find it most amusing is that the talent system is 1:1 with what Grim Dawn uses and it has a respec system in place.
In the end, I hope the devs make the right decision and remove the time waste mechanics.
You keep going around in circles repeating yourself over the same points, even though several other players have addressed them. You were given answers and you complained about them not being “logical”, even though they very much were. It was also explained to you that the topic of respecs is very subjective to each individual. So in other words there is going to be a LOT of different opinions on the topic that YOU will not like.
You were even linked another post to show you its already been a hot topic in the past, and the decision the devs settled with is the current format, as a middle ground between what the player base wanted. Let me water that down a bit for you more; the devs settled on their current decision on the topic after community feedback.
YOU are only 1 person mate. It’s not going to change for YOU. Now don’t come back YET AGAIN with “every other rpg has X X X”, that doesn’t matter here. It was shown to you in the replies to you above, the topic has already been discussed HEAVILY in other threads. Devs made changes already in response to the feedback.
There’s nothing to stop this changing though after the game gets full release and leaves EA. if more of the player base wants respecs further along a characters development, I’m sure the devs will respond in kind.
You obviously didn’t read my post, because it wastes more time to respec than to roll up a new character. I proved it 3 times.
Are you joking? It takes less time to level a new character to 80 than to respec? You are being silly, I mean you are all being silly, but this tops it.
I think it’s a good idea to allow respec masteries and don’t be so mean if you don’t agree. When I read the answer on this post I am realy shock by your beavior, sarcasm and other things like this.
If you don’t whant to do it you can still make a new caracter so what’s you’re problem with this ? You can still play this game the way you whant so let other do the same.
In my opinion the respec need to be smart with time travel or something like this. A quest available at level 100 maybe. A quest like a big echo with boss you can do several times.
I just whant it to be hard to get with a nice story to justify you can do it. I don’t whant it to be easy like D3.
Yes. You will spend far longer at level 80 hunting your new gear for your new spec than it will take you to level from 1 to 80 acquiring gear a long the way. It’s a fact.
You already have most of the gear. You keep all unique set and good exalted. I have a 96 and 98 caracter and I can equip for a lot different build even for other class. You alsow farm better gear way faster in end game than when you make a new one. I don’t pick up gear when I level up a new one. I already have a hard lootfilter. The unique and set item it’s way enough to go to end game.
It’s not a fact it’s just wrong.
Just because someone doesn’t like a (subjective) thing, doesn’t make it wrong, it just means they don’t like it, which is fine, but saying that the thing is stupid & a waste of time then getting all offended when people disagree with that subjective non-liking of the thing & calling people idiots, that’s kinda silly.
Give feedback but don’t expect everyone to agree. People are just explaining their perspectives here on why certain aspects are as they are and if that doesn’t convince you otherwise, no need to be mad. Winning an argument here won’t change the game anyway 
- only if devs take your feedback.
If making another character is a waste of your time, please, don’t waste your time 
You are missing one very small and insignificat detail. I already have the gear… It’s rotting in my bank, unusable. My 2nd rogue is level 41 after 3 days, because it’s literally pointless to level it and I find 0 ethusiasm or motivation to do so. It’s backwards progression. Why should I level a 2nd rogue, when I already have a level 90 one?
Why is it in the game then? Why do you have your skills reset, when you can level them back in 5 minutes?
You are being stupid. Nobody is saying or suggesting this… I have a 74 Void Knight, which I ended up not liking and a 63 spellblade. I’m obviously not against leveling different classes, if I want to play them. The entire point to respecing specializations is that Marksman and Bladedancer are the same class!
Your attitude is really bad man. It’s as simple as this. The game designers made a clear choice in their design to have people make a final choice that’s fully explained when that choice is made(when you chose your mastery). It’s fine if you don’t like that choice but that doesn’t mean its illogical or wrong. It’s just not how you prefer to play games. If you don’t want to take the time relevel a character than maybe this game isn’t for you. Personally I’ve made 10+ characters of the same overall build with different tweaks and build idea changes…I’ve played since early alpha. I enjoy the knowledge I gain and the feeling of my own personal skill progression, separate from the skill progression of the character, as I get better and better with each class. That is something very rewarding for a lot of players. It’s apparently not rewarding for you. That is fine. However, for you to think that it’s inherently wrong is just ignorance. The point people are making is that the game designers want people to work for a new character. It’s not a mistake just because you don’t like it. For many people it makes characters feel more meaningful and more fulfilling to make. Once again, that may not be for you…but for many people learning from past mistakes and starting again is a rewarding experience.
Why is everyone trying to make the point that releveling is enligthening? It’s not. You don’t learn anything from releveling a class you already do endgame with. You already know the mechanics and the scaling of the class.
Let’s be real, you have 10 characters of the same class, right? Are you really trying to say that after leveling 9 characters, you still didn’t 100% know how the class worked? Because if you do, that speaks more about you than the game system. The reality is, after the first character, every other is done with no brain effort.
No, it’s not. It’s wrong, because I’m leveling a class, I already know every mechanic of, just to play a different spec, which is called Backwards progression and is the bane of a lot of RPGs. I get that some people like it, but they have HC mode or can just do it whenever they want. It would make 0 difference to their game experience, if a specialization change is in the game or not.
Yeah, for those who justify having 20+ characters and somehow allowing players to change specs would make their progress meaningless. I mean, that’s the entire mindset of “I have 7 liches”. These people are illogical.
I am sure that the devs appreciate your input but you have to realise that its your subjective opinion and carries no more weight than anyone elses subjective opinion. Its a free world (mostly) and everyone has to respect that we all have our own take on things.
Your approach, subjectively, could have been less agressive and confrontational but thats just obviously how you are and want to portray yourself. Again, its a free world and I am sure that you have someone that loves you for who you are…
Subjectively, imho, this game is not for you…
Fixed that for you. Calling people that disagree with you wrong and stupid is not exactly the high point of reasoned argument. It is a good way to be branded a troll, ignored and potentially told to GTFO (in more extreme cases).
It would have been if the first response wasn’t literally “Wtf is your problem?”.
He removed it after, but that was typed a few minutes after the post and from there on, the baddwagon of elitisim poured in. I’m not a pushover, not on the internet, not irl. When someone is being stupid by typing:
I call him stupid, because it’s a stupid argument.
It’s really easy to follow my train of thought. Rogue is a class, Marksman is a specialization, Bladedancer is another specialization of that class. There shouldn’t be a barrier of entry to play both specializations, when you already have a Rogue.
Nobody, literally nobody has argued against that in its core reason, expect one person, who was trying to explain that “No, Marksman and Bladedancer are different classes”, which obviously aren’t, when the system is called “Specialization”. It’s all farfetched excuses to have a time consuming system with no player benefit to begin with. Other than justifying spending 600h in the game as a some sort of milestone, I have no clue why would they be against a respec option. It literally would have 0 impact on your gameplay. You can have your 7 litches, or whatever. Nobody is stopping you, but you are arguing in favor of a system that is stopping me from playing the game.
Releveling the class you already play in order to try another specialization is stupid.