Warpath 'gain mana' node restricted to 2H is alienating Dual wield/Shield players

[TrundleGod]

That’s hilarious. I’ll gladly be your villan.

I admit I probably was over the line with my response, but I was truly shocked that I was being told that I should be stopping to spam smite in the middle of a fight to recoup my mana, on a class/build that will have virtually zero cast speed, as a solution, and that I was having problems because I was ‘playing poorly’. In my haste I was very rude, looking back I’ll try to curb this behavior in the future. Live and let learn

“Lowblobs”, lol. That’s a good one. I’ll have to remember that.

Have a great day.

[Llama8]

@XLVI_carpo

Maybe something like:

• You can only answer or quote on topics when you have a character with matching corruption level or arena rank (+/- 100 corruption or +/- 50 waves) compared to OP
• If one of the lowbobs creates a topic and a top 10 arena player disagrees, the topic should be immediately closed
• Every topic from a top 10 arena player gets automatically upvoted when anybody reads it and gets immediate dev staff attention (like an alarm bell ringing at Mike’s house so they can have an emergency meeting to discuss it) - the exception is when the topic is from a rank 1 player because then there doesn’t need to be a dev diacussion - suggestion get implemented right away
• When the top 10 players are devided on a topic the user with the highest rank decides the discussion

That sounds awesome, as long as I’m allowed to go in and edit the posts for spelling and grammar. Or, every spelling and grammar faux pas gives a downvote.

@TrundleGod

I should be stopping to spam smite in the middle of a fight to recoup my mana, on a class/build that will have virtually zero cast speed

You could also have used an unspec’d melee skill to do the same. I thought about pointing that out but thought it was too obvious.

@XLVI_carpo

I don’t really like how the mana nodes are positioned in the tree. You loose a lot of damage if you invest in them. You need to max it out in order to have an impact and “loose” skillpoints. This might be intended as a tradeoff, but it has the effect that I always never use it.

I’d have thought that that was a thing called “balance”. You gain a fair bit of indirect power by having the mana gen as Trundle has been complaining about.

[mishona]

How is it for “very little opportunity cost” when you are literally in a thread complaining the restriction for its use is too restrictive for their tastes?

[XLVI_carpo]

I’m not in search of another villain, I already have @Llama8. That’s enough for the rest of my life .

@TrundleGod

I was truly shocked that I was being told that I should be stopping to spam smite in the middle of a fight to recoup my mana, on a class/build that will have virtually zero cast speed

Yeah, I get that. Even if this was a proper strategy (which it isn’t and anybody that tried that already would know) the questions remains: Why is the exact same build allowed to regain mana with 2h but not with DW? Is it to favour 2h for Warpath? Is it a balance thing because dual wield gets double bonus from Cyclone Of War? Or is it just an oversight by the devs?

I think the DW more damage taken effect is too huge to treat DW like that. You are and feel absolutely more squishy using DW instead of a 2h.

What I would like to see in some form are some defensive buffs when using DW. Like getting a chance to parry and mitigate a % of damage. But no more additional debuffs.

[mishona]

One reason off the top of the head to give one treatment to 2h and not dw is because you have double the affixes you can apply to gear in your hands.

[Llama8]

@mishona

double the affixes

Which have slightly higher than half the value. DW gets slightly higher stat values from the two weapon slots than a 2h weapon but it has more suffixes to get defensive modifiers on. Prefixes youll probably want to go with the same or similar affixes.

[doombybbr]

@mishona

How is it for “very little opportunity cost” when you are literally in a thread complaining the restriction for its use is too restrictive for their tastes?

because there is nothing else worthwhile

there is no opportunity cost if there is no other opportunity to choose from

[Method1]

I spent 3 days trying to make a HC 1h-dw warpath pally smite builds that didn’t end up in me hitting -7 mana and stopping in the middle of mobs. Sure I got some versions to work but the constant use for sigils refreshing + smite costs + the fact you can’t regen while channeling overall always ended up feeling wonky and bad. Going DW reen swords feels fine until you end up at -0 anyway cause sigils 6% on kill (far too low wth is this, give it 10-15% on HIT not kill) isn’t procing or you used your holy aura active one too many, lunged too much…
Basically spinning itself is free so long as that’s the ONLY button you press.

If you dare use anything else you will run out and end up running around trying to regen. ( I tried that too, it goes against spintowin playstyle pretty hard - spinning for 1-2 sec every pack and stack mana regen up the ass to try and stay as full as possible feels pretty bad )
VK echoes warpath can sort of make it alright since we can get the dark nexus and most dmg points + mana at the bottom but that’s it - your dmg suffers and you def cannot take any QoL nodes like speed % or cyclone of war.

Warpath has def mana issues no matter what version of it you try… except 2 hand because of that node.