Spriggan reflect will actually reach 1 million. And reflect damage bypasses all protection, so it’s direct 1M damage. This means that dummy damage will also be boss damage.
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I thought it was 300 million maybe it was 30 million ? Uber Abberoth was 1 shot last season by Time Rot Jav. Literally 1 shot. The best builds were doing Uber Abby in a few seconds.
Yea but people are hitting the dummy in medium builds for 30-40 million. High end builds are 100+ million. The damage is really bonkers last season.
Yea I need more numbers to back this up. I’m not buying it. I can be convinced but I don’t think you know what type of damage builds are doing.
S tier broken Meta builds were doing 9k corruption last season and killing Uber Abby instantly.
I hear what you are saying about actual damage but that doesn’t seem like it will matter because reflect numbers are way too low.
Yea but 1 million damage is still 20 times weaker than it needs to be actually considered okay.
Unless you are saying that 1 million damage will = 20 million Dps on the boss target dummy I just don’t see it being any good.
Again good Dps is 30-50 million for builds last season. This season it will be higher.
Which is why you need a bossing skill like shield throw.
Those builds are certainly outliers is what ill say, like yes, reflect wont be “omg it 1 taps ubberoth” but I dont think that is what anyone is saying.
Reflect is just now in the realm of doing uberroth, shield throw isnt even close to being comparable lol.
Reflect isnt a meta tier S+ build, its just now a real build that is potentially able to kill the hardest content in the game vs where it was in 1.2 which was a meme that had some jank preventing it from glory.
Tldr; in a single patch, Reflect had all its janky lack of QoL removed, and its boss damage multiplied by 5. Thats insane.
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I don’t know what the actual reduction on normal builds is with dummy vs actual boss. Considering the area scaling and boss defenses, I would assume quite a lot. Don’t know if it’s 10x or not, though, I never bother with dummies.
But reflect really is the only damage type where you will get the same numbers on dummies as you do everywhere else, since it never gets reduced.
Except that before the chest you could never do any reflect damage on them because they don’t attack.
The chest will tick twice per second on its own, so you’ll do 2M damage per second with it, plus all the reflects you get from the boss hits. I would assume it would be actually pretty good. The biggest issue with reflect was mostly bosses that attack mostly with DoTs, which don’t trigger flat reflect. The chest seems to fix all that.
I don’t think it will be an S tier build, but it will likely be A tier.
What are you talking about. I literally made a reflect shield throw last season and the reflect is bad. If reflect is 100 times stronger it still will be bad. At least reflect boost shield throw to insane damage.
Reflect isn’t even comparable to Shield throw damage lol.
You do realize that A tier is 20-30 million DPS right?
Builds need to do at least 10 million Dps to be playable in End Game.
If you multiplied boss damage by 100 it still would be bad. Your Math isn’t Mathing.
Right so most decent builds are hitting the dummy for 20-30 million damage. S tier are hitting for 100’s of million.
I just don’t see any world where reflect can get that high.
Reflect by itself will be D tier. Anything under 10 million Dps is D tier.
Which is why Shield throw comes in because it actually puts that reflect to flat damage for shield throw that can get 500-600% crit multi and do actual damage. You still need an ability to do damage.
The math doesn’t look very good, I’d love to be wrong but in order to make reflect kill a boss you will need another ability like shield throw that actually does millions of dps.
Anyhow good luck everyone on Season 3 gonna go gym real quick and then play ALL day!!!
Spriggan reflect already did 500-600c comfortably in 1.2 and kill Aby. With the chest it will be able to comfortably farm 1k+ and do Uby. I’d say that is enough to be A tier.
I think I was actually way off how good thorn shield is. I was just using the base 50 reflect of the skill, but I forgot that Spriggan Form actually gives it +150.
That means that each stack is 200 reflect. With 150 attunement (kinda standard for this build) it gets scaled up to 600% or 1400 from the skill. This then gets multiplied by Thornshell up to 1350% bringing our damage to 190k just from what we have this season. That is for each stack. Meaning we deal around 8M (that can’t be reduced) from Thorn Shield alone.
With the new chest we’ll now get a total of 40M pure damage that can’t be reduced.
Honestly, at this point the idols are mostly irrelevant, as is the flat per phys resistance the chest gives. Thorn Shield is the real carrier.
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You appear to have forgotten Abom’s view on what’s viable/good or not.
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Okay that looks a lot better. I don’t think I can bring myself to play spriggan though but at least it can work for people interested.
I’ll play my FG spine of mal shield throw with Sigeon and stack reflect. Probably can get 15-20 mil dmg everytime you press shield throw.
This sounds sick, have you put together a build planner with what you would be going for?
Hmmm LE tools not letting me import it atm maybe cause it just switched to legacy? If i can get it to work ill link him he’s 100 lvl. Used him for some Arena pushing too.
Okay it works now here is what I played last season.
Just got the chest, immediately extremely fun. It’s a walking simulator, except you occasionally do a few thorn shields and plant a vine for rage regen.
It’s like judgement aura, but much larger radius.
Most fun so far has been to have a good map for it, really load up on thorn shields, then switch to bear and rampage for a long time and watch everything die in my path. 
This is my build so far, still pretty scuffed (only 3 reflect idols) but so far loads of fun.
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BglMMOko
BTW, this does kill everything, including cocoons, but cocoons have a front and a back, apparently, so you need to run around them until you find their “face” 
EDIT: It also kills lizards as they’re running away, apparently. Maybe they face us with their tails?
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So, an update:
Ran the confluence echo to raise corruption to 700c. Still walking in echoes and everything dies.
My character is currently kinda squishy, which I’m working on, but the best about this chest is that you can actually avoid getting hit and will still reflect.
Timeline bosses die under a minute at 700c, did regular Aby and killed him in under a minute.
Aiming to improve the build to see if Uby is doable. Although Spriggan Form is very limited in what it can use. Gathering Storm is useless since I found the chest, but there isn’t anything else that will be useful.
I guess I’ll return to Summon Spriggan, although he’s annoying to keep alive. Still, it used to be bad because mobs would target him instead, but with the chest that’s not an issue anymore.
Other than that, I don’t really see anything that can be useful in Spriggan Form. I could drop Bear and go into
I’ll definitely swap out Legacy. The rage regen is carried entirely by tears of the forest. Gloves could use an improvement and I’m waiting to be able to use the Seed Helmet.
Current build:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/AVKrKl0Q
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https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYjN3pJA
This is my paladin, up to 500c, very cool build. after I finish gearing ill probably go druid which is likely squishier but has infinite more damage.
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I’ve been able to play ~5-10mins & have got to the first camp (on account of still being at a family wedding till Monday evening).
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That is no excuse. You should have convinced everyone there to buy and play LE, creating a sort of impromptu clan on the spot. You’re just lazy. 
Would you trust an airline to transport a tower pc intact without the cpu heatsink & 4080 breaking free?