I’m just wondering if there will be a feature soon in the future that we could check out character profile that on ladder like in D3.
Seeing those pushing 500 waves makes me really curious and want to check out what are their builds.
Hopefully not. I don’t want everyone to poke their noses into my stuff if I don’t play directly with them and communicate what I do.
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I’m in two minds about it. On the one hand it helps people get an idea of what kind of builds can do well, but on the other hand it’s likely to lead to builds consolidating round a few very effective builds (or those played by some very effective players & everybody else conflating the one with the other) and deciding that everything else isn’t good & therefore shouldn’t be played because the rest of the ladder doesn’t play it.
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In most cases it led to “Reeeeeeeeeeeeee class xy is OP and skill Z needs a nerf because I don’t play that class!”. I’m very sceptical and I’m always in the corner of the group that says “People need to educate themselfs instead of copy someone else!” because a lot of people come to the wrong conclusion very fast.
On top of that there will be enough guides arround to look for and get things done.
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i think the possibility of checking other players characters in their profiles would be a good feature under one circumstance:
- it needs to be an opt-in which can enabled in something like privacy settings for the account
- or even better, which can be enabled per character, so that people can work on building new stuff that isn’t ready to publish, while keeping other chars public for anybody interested
Look what profils everybody can look at did to wow and D3. How many times did I log out with fake gear and changed my skills to just get some whispers of other players who tell me my build is crap :D.
This took a lot of possible interaction from the game and people communicated even less and copied everything they found. For me it’s a step in a trashy direction but that’s only me. I only see downsides when it comes to public profiles.
your probably right and i can see where your opinion comes from. but i still think if EHG decides to make it possible, that it should be an opt-in that actively needs to be activated.
people that would no-brain build guides are already there, and people that are interested in certain mechanics are still able to pm the builder if he/she is to lazy to make a guide but decides to make the character public in their profile.
Opt-In stuff is always okay but then again… why waste time on an opt-in feature noone likes possibly? Maybe this is something for the future.
of course all i said was hypothetical, my opinion to OP, if EHG decides to want that feature.
Out of curiosity why would you not want people to look at your gear if you are on leaderboard? If leaderboard in the end is about skill wouldn’t someone looking at your gear be meaningless?
I would say sharing is caring, but i guess in some reactions people don’t like it.
For me personally i don’t care about that because some people have a lot more skills to play a build. LE is an fantastic game but also cost a lot time to understand things how it works and if some can help you to look at your build its fine with me. But also respect that not everybody want to show how they get high on the ladder system. and maybe you could have an option to share your build and turn it off or only for friends its visible
It’s a bit of a stretch to go from “I don’t like this thing” to “nobody likes it so don’t waste your time on it”.
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It’s all well and fine :). I get your point of view but I want to see more oppinions on the topic.
It’s about the whole build, not only about the inventory. Looking at someones gear in party play for example is a valid thing if you play pugs and if someone is dead weight for example. I don’t like the idea that everybody at every time can go through my whole build ^^.
That’s what that “possibly” at the end is for 
(At least I hope that’s obvious). Let’s elaborate: 10 people like the idea, 500 people dislike the idea, why push it then? Same for the opposit :D, if only I think it’s crap everyone can look into what your doing an building an extra feature for this is a waste of time right now then so be it :).
It’s about the whole build, not only about the inventory. Looking at someones gear in party play for example is a valid thing if you play pugs and if someone is dead weight for example. I don’t like the idea that everybody at every time can go through my whole build ^^.
I still don’t understand. I view leaderboards in LE as especially nonconfrontational PvP. Who cares if someone sees your gear and the abilities you used to get top 3? I would say let them because at the end of the day it’s not the build that carried you to that place it was you playing well. By allowing other players to see your build/gear it keeps the integrity of leaderboards alive allowing at any time someone to come in and do the same thing you are doing and learning that isn’t really what will get you to the top. I think that is great for promoting continued good competition and putting actual value on the spot you climbed to.
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Arena is only time and comittment. if somone can only play 10h a week there is nothing to win even with all profiles public. I lifed through the armory times in WoW and when I think back how many players left because of said “feature” I’m getting a little deprressed.
I have enough areas in my life where I need to place my cards on the table and privacy is no more. I don’t want the same in my games. On top of that there are always two camps, the people who like it and the people who don’t. Sadly the most vocal people who like said feature are those you hear and see crying and babyraging because something isn’t working for them. Another thing that frustrated me was the ongoing whispers and I don’t want to go back there when I got a whisper every 5 minutes about a lot of stuff.
If somone want’s to put himself out there write a guide that answers all questions asked over time and send people there instead of making a feature for it that tells you nothing at the end of the day. Again this is my view I dislike it and I think it’s a waste of time. At the end it’s up to devs ^^.
I think Llama got right to the point with his first post, but I totally agree with Macknum’s opinion.
Diablo 3 is the best example of why build diversity sucks in the game. The leaderboards actually only show you which of the 4 possible builds / sets for each class are currently the best and which you have to play in order to be able to play efficiently. The same goes for PoE. Inexperienced players open poe ninja, see that 50% of the playerbase play necros again and all of them are building a necro build. I can’t remember the last time I saw anything other than a necro in my hideout for trading. Don’t get me wrong, i use this site aswell and it’s great, but it’s both a curse and blessing for an arpg.
I actually also hope that this feature will not be implemented and that the players are ‘‘forced’’ to play their own builds and try for themselves how far they can make it into the endgame with their own creation.
I don’t like this ‘‘build copy paste’’ thing, but of course I also understand that not every player has a lot of time for first theorycrafting and then trying out endgame with the experience that the build actually sucks.
I’m just not a fan of meta builds and the word meta in general. It’s also not good for the game itself or the developers to see that everyone is playing the same build. Then why do the devs develop new uniques and skills if everyone plays the same builds, season after season anyway? 3 month later the top build is getting completely nerfed and after 2 weeks into a league everyone is playing the same thing again because one guy found out whats the best and everyone is looking into his profile.
This is a topic that is difficult to talk about. Probably 50% will be for and 50% against showing character profiles.
It works well in Grim Dawn. Every person i ask what they currently play is always a different build, and thats because there is no leaderboard^^ but yeah its also not a online/multiplayer game… In the end, it’s up to the devs. But I think that the possibility to see character profiles, the game, the playerbase and the fun/meaning of an arpg will suffer more. I like what they currently do, just show the 5 skills they are using and people have to figure out why it works so well together.
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Doesn’t this cut against your argument to keep profiles private? If someone was inclined to learn about your successful Arena build, if the information is made public by the game system, then there would be less need for the person to send you an unsolicited PM asking you about your build.
I understand arguments rooted in wanting to keep a successful strategy private so that it’s not overly utilized and nerfed by EHG. But, arguments rooted in privacy seem to favor a display of at least the skill trees if not the entire character (with equipment). Ultimately, knowing what someone uses and being able to replicate the skill or to adjust it as new challenges arise are two very different things.
My biggest argument against would be the ‘fear of nerf’ argument if I came up with something highly successful. Though, in truth, I get most of my builds online and then tweak them to my liking, so it’s really not my argument to make.
I was whispered because everyone was able to see it ^^, where is the cut against?
Assuming you’re ranked, your name is posted. The more “free” information the game gives a wannabe copycat the less likely they will have to PM you for that information. You might still get PMs, but I’m talking in terms of probability.
Arena is only time and commitment.
That to me is a little bit of a cop out. You can say that about anything. Monolith is about time and commitment. Getting to lv100 is about time and commitment. Learning to cook is about time and commitment.
Yes, arena is about time and commitment but at higher waves I can also acknowledge it takes strong sense of positioning, awareness, hand-eye coordination and mechanical skill. I could look at someone like LizardIRL and copy everything his gear, play all day and I can fully acknowledge I don’t have the patience or mechanical skill to keep up with him. In my opinion when you are in a competitive scene which is what leaderboards are pushing, the best part of that is when you are competing with players who have access to doing the same thing you do, but you do it better. That is what should separate you from everyone else, not finding some weird gear interaction or abusing some broken league mechanic that players want to hide that carries them to higher rankings. That hits my integrity point hard, if you allow everyone to look at your gear you would completely remove that aspect from arena. Yeah, it will promote meta builds in arena but that is literally how every competitive game mode functions; this is completely normal. Even if you don’t allow people to view gear meta builds would still happen the only difference is it would be information in closed circles. By allowing everyone to look at gear you just create access to more people to be competitive and that is what arena should be about; promoting competition between players standing on equal ground.
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