PATCH is coming? we need MASSIVE nerfs and buffs

General
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It’s gonna be a bit frustrating if Warlock gets MAGE nerfed out of all things. They already got half a dozen different nerfs out of the gate for 1.0.

And as of 3-4-2024 there isn’t even a single mage in the top 50 leaderboard. There’s 40 Acolytes, 9 Rogues and 1 Primalist. Reminds me of Diablo 4 where Necros and Rogues were dominating content and Blizzard was like…YEP, Sorcerer gets nerfed into the ground. Disgusting.

My mage has some of the best gear in the game possible and generates 8-9k ward on nonbosses, 13k ward on bosses and 20k ward on the triple mage boss. If mages were generating insane ward, they’d make it to the leaderboards ahead of Rogues and Primalists and the #1 mage would not be 50 waves behind the person placing #50 on the leaderboard.

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“Bit” and warlock in the same sentence is a war crime.
“Bit” has NOTHING to do with warlocks.

Most specs are performing around 400 waves at their peak.

Warlocks are performing around 900 (not considering rank 1 with 2200 waves)

They are 10 times (if not more) stronger than other specs, this is not a “BIT”.

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Please read the entirety of the post. If you read further, you can clearly see me draw a parallel to Diablo 4 and posting leaderboard stats. Also to put things in perspective, wave ~250 is top 20 mage btw.

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I read your entire post.
My point is that starting a post with “it’s a little bit” on something that is extreme doesn’t help the reader.

For example, if this is written at the beginning of your text;
“Jumping from a plane without a parachute is a bit dangerous”

it probably won’t help with your conclusion, regardless of what is written later.

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Unless they’re English, then it’s totally fine, so what you mean is that it doesn’t help non-native English speakers & Americans.

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26

Agree.
Thats why warlocks ward has to be nerfed on 90%.

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Bugged interactions with ward need to be fixed. That’s not nerfing anything, that’s having the game work as intended.

What I’m curious about, is how something this blatant got through the ‘dedicated internal testers, who purposely try to break the game’? I mean, it only took a couple streamer 3 days to figure out how to abuse the shit out of (the notoriously buggy) ward mechanic, and introduce another PR nightmare for LE v1.0 reviews. First we have the stability issues, and now a wave of negative reviews regarding balance. And, I’m sure there will be another wave of them after the nerfs (read as: bug fixes).

I’ll hop off my “internal testing probably isn’t enough for a v1.0 launch” soapbox now.

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Classic understatement for the distinguished gentleman.

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29

I’m not seeing anything special (hell, even showing they are kinda bad) from Shaman’s on the leaderboard or corruptions, got a video link showing why they would need a nerf?

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I hope this happens (this month?) before another 200,300,500 players reach 2000 waves.

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As the devs have said many times, they don’t want to do mid-season nerfs. Especially if it’s one that prevents people from getting as high in the arena as they had previously 'cause then nobody can overtake that high wave number all 'cause EHG fixed a bug or nerfed an interaction or something.

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I mean, they could just reset the arena leaderboards, or even just the ones that used the bugged/nerfed build. They did that in D3, and if Blizzard can do it, how hard can it be?

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The game probably won’t last long then.
Because spec X (warlock) hit 2200 waves and spec Y (forge guard) hit 179 waves.

Players will drop season early when something like this happen, because they know it wont change.

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What exactly is the problem if warlock is strong? How is this a problem for me? As long as every class can reach the endgame no one gets hurt. Isn’t there a leaderboard for every class?

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Yeah there are some bugged and also badly designed things that are making things work way too well.

Yeah, I’m okay with it. I just am sick of seeing Acolyte power be conflated with Mage power (possibly resulting in unnecessary mage nerfs) when Mages are completing on equal footing with Primalists and Sentinels while all 3 of these classes are dwarved by Rogues and Acolytes.

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It’s not about it being hard to do, it’s unfair to everyone else if they reset the entire leaderboard & it’s unfair to the person who would have spent a very long time getting to wave whatever.

Is the sky falling? Not really…

Just like they do in PoE.

That’s also the difficulty in bringing one class into line without adversely affecting another class using the same underlying mechanic.

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If a spec is stronger than all others combined, the problem is EVERYTHING.

Yes and no, we got both ladders for all classes and for specific ones.

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Let me try to explain this.

The top 50 has…
40 Acolytes
9 Rogues
1 Primalist (near the #50 spot)

The #1 mage and #1 sentinel are not able to achieve top 50.

To put this into perspective further, I got to wave 244…which was #20 mage.

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You don’t need to nerf ward, you need to make other builds somewhat viable, and then worry about micro-balance from there.

Even with ward you have to evade they keyed dungeon bosses or you’ll die fast, can’t imagine how other classes are even coping.

Why is everyone’s answer always to nerf viable builds and classes instead of buffing the ones that aren’t?

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Because is the most obvious and logical answer.

There are 15 specs
13 of them are in a similar condition
2 of them are not

It is safer and easier to control a change in 2 volatile specs, than changing all 13 specs making them volatile like the 2 exceptions.