NERFs

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@Papa-Kilo

Go test it out. Take your crit % down to 85% and let me know what happens… THEN comment saying i was wrong.

For a sufficiently large sample, the crit rate you get is what you see on your character sheet. You tin-foil hat this all you want. But you’re wrong.

@Papa-Kilo

Anyhow, It is understandable a Rogue player would disagree, The Haves will always want to keep what they Have…

You can tin-foil hat this all you want as well, online I’ve got 4/17 slots as Rogue & the rest mainly not-Primalist. I’m not a “Rogue player”, I’m a “not-Primalist player” (though @Karvarousku Storm Crows build is forking awesome).

@Papa-Kilo

My post isnt about taking away from Rogues as much as it is about giving back to Mages.

Yeah, and that’s fair enough, but you’re basing it on a false premis. Also, which mastery are you talking about? As I mentioned innitially, if you’ve gotten to empowered monos as a Mage you’re doing pretty well!

@Papa-Kilo

They literally hit every single possible ward gain passive, ability we have.

Yeah, shall we be pedantic & check?

@Yayifications

The first mastery bonus now grants 12 ward gained when you use a melee attack and hit at least one enemy (from 4 ward gained on melee hit)

Buff.

@Yayifications

Arcane Warden now grants 3 ward per point gained when you use a melee attack and hit an enemy (from 5), but also gives 1 intelligence per point. It now also has a threshold bonus which grants 1 ward decay threshold per intelligence.

Nerf, but also a bit of a buff since you’re getting Int which gives ward retention & the threshold gives ward decay threshold (not personally a fan, but that’s just me). So, a bit of a mixed bag?

@Yayifications

Arcane Focus now grants 2 ward gained on direct spell cast per point (from 4)

Nerf.

@Yayifications

Edict of Scion now grants 2 ward gained per active rune on area skill use per point (from 4), and now requires that the area skill hit at least one enemy

Nerf.

@Yayifications

Celestial Doom’s threshold bonus now grants 100 ward gained when you hit a branded boss or rare enemy with a spell (from 28), with a 1 second cooldown (from no cooldown)

Kinda both, on the one hand you now get a lot more ward (buff), but it has a cooldown (nerf), though it’s a relatively short one. But if you were using a skill that hit more than 3.57 times per second (ie, you’re spamming something like Frost Claw with the Volley of Glass node), it’s a nerf.

@Yayifications

Jagged Veil now grants 2 ward on crit per point (from 1), up to 5 times per second (from no limit)

Again, kinda both, depends how frequently you can crit but I’d go with it being a buff at the low end (low crit chance & attack/cast speed) to a nerf at the high end.

@Yayifications

Mana Shell no longer gives 15 armor per point. It now gives 2 ward per second per point. It also now has a threshold bonus which grants 1 ward per second per 10 maximum mana.

Buff, from a ward point of view, but less armour which is sad.

@Yayifications

Lost Knowledge grants 1 ward gained per 15 current mana when you use a skill that costs at least 40 mana (from 1 ward gained per 10 current mana)

Nerf.

@Yayifications

Arcane Insight no longer grants a chance to gain Insight on hit. It now has a threshold bonus granting +5 ward decay threshold per intelligence

Buff, but personally I’m not much of a fan of ward decay threshold.

@Yayifications

Mirror Breath has been replaced with Deep Wells Mana Well. It grants 3% increased mana per point, and has a threshold bonus which grants 50% of mana spent gained as ward.

Buff.

@Yayifications

Praesidium now grants 1 ward per 3 int per second per point while channeling (from 5 ward per second). Its maximum points has been reduced to 3 (from 5).

Buff.

@Yayifications

Fixed a bug where Runebolt’s Runeweaver granted 4% mana spent gained as ward per stack instead of its listed 40%

Buff!

@Yayifications

Reowyn’s Frostguard no longer grants 30% damage reduction. Its ward granted every 0.4s is now 20 + 1 per intelligence (from 14 + 0.5 per intelligence)

Now, the loss of the DR is sad 'cause that’s probably quite a big thing, but it does now grant quite a bit more ward.

@Yayifications

Hoarfrost grants now 2 ward when using Shatter Strike and hitting at least one enemy per point, doubled against frozen enemies (from always granting 5 against frozen enemies only)

I’d call this a buff, since you’re getting ward when previously you didn’t since it procs against unfrozen mobs.

Now, that’s just the 1.1 patch notes & I can’t be arsed looking through the many other patches. But over all I’d say it’s a bit of a mixed bag, somethings are nerfed & some are buffed. But it’s certainly not

@Papa-Kilo

hitting every passive and ability

Hyperbole does not help you construct an argument. It feels good, but it’s kinda shit.

@Papa-Kilo

That is the issue i have… , yes if Mages could stack dodge like rogues, it wouldnt have hit us so bad , but thats not the case.

Yes, but all the Mage masteries have ward & ward generation which is deterministic & functions against DoTs, which dodge doesn’t & as we all know, DoTs are some of the most dangerous things in the game.