The problem is you assumed multiplayer should be here already (something cannot be delayed if it didn’t miss a promised deadline). My question is on what basis are you making that claim?
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Ahh, I see what you’re saying, good point. I guess I am conveying my thoughts unfairly and I do apologize for that. Basically, I have seen and read multiple posts that multiplayer is in the works and will be here at some point and all I would like is some sort of information beyond that. Not much, but reading “multiplayer is a top priority” for years at this point, is definitely unfortunate and concerning to me. I am sure they are hard at work and they obviously said they are not stuck on anything, but it would be nice to see something, anything, even a one line sentence at the end of patch notes, saying what they have done or are working on relating to MP. I hope that makes more sense rather than the word vomit I posted earlier.
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This is a very similar discussion like the “we need a lootfilter” topic.
It’s ok, that it isn’t in, yet.
But also if there still is no eta, what about some teasers? This thread here is explaining a lot. Now devs state “it’s outdated and some things have changed”. What things have changed? In what direction did it change?
Tease us. Give us some info on the current state. I think this is all that is demanded. I don’t get why EHG goes this completely silent on this topic.
Because if they tease you with something thats not even close to finished and is subject to change it causes a bunch of issues such as
1)Creates unnecessary HYPE and just more questions of WHEN WHEN WHEN which distracts the team from just working on it more.
2)When something inevitably changes over the course of its creation people get mad that something that was teased 6 months ago isn’t there anymore
We dont get a date for MP cause they dont know… We cant even get a date for the next patch because there literally trying to get it to us in a polished form ASAP and they just dont know what QA/Problems/Bugs Pop up last second.
Would You be happier if they gave you a specific date and then just had to keep delaying it?
EHG is BUSY BUSY BUSY, look how much content there trying to put out every 2 months for every patch, why would they stop what there doing and focus on something thats not coming in the next immidiate patch just so we can drool and then go back to naggin. Just let them be, we will get the teasers and MP when there ready to give it to us. ITs coming. Patience.
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Honestly I don’t think they have to stop working or delay any content to just tease us or answer some questions regarding multiplayer.
I don’t think that multiplayer content and implementation is so vague that there is nothing they could show or tell us. This dev blog started early 2018. Back then they had a plan and a lot of info to share. And I really doubt that they cancelled all of this and have actually no clue what it should look like.
Small updates and infos are appreciated. No shiny concept presentation or preview. Just state of the current system.
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But they do. A dev blog doesn’t just appear out of thin air, it probably takes whoever writes it several hours to put together (say half a day) then another couple of hours to review it with someone else, thrash out their questions and update it with the agreed changes in wording. So that’s probably a days worth of manhours from a small team that could have been spent on something else.
And that’s assuming that, as boardman says, the things they have said they’re planning on doing, their direction for whatever it is they’ve blogged about don’t change between now and when the feature is finally implemented. Other devs (I forget who) have said before that they didn’t like talking about stuff that was too far out because it sets the community’s expectations and if it changes for any reason some part of the community loses their shit.
I’m not a writer, but it can take me weeks to put together a spreadsheet that is my company’s statutory accounts. And those weeks will be spread over a good 2-3 months what with interruptions, other urgent work (month end happens every month and can take anywhere between 2 days and a week depending on the company), random questions from my boss, or her boss, etc. And said statutory accounts are only 30-40 pages long, and most of it’s done already (I don’t re-write it from scratch)!
I know its frustrating as ****, I want nothing more than to get into mp with my friends and pvp someone from here that said they were really bad at pvp.
It’ll be here when its here.
surely it’s not that black and white.
This argument I hear a lot, but I don’t find it very valid. It’s under the assumption that everybody just works at 100% efficiency all of the time, and that every dev should spend 100% uptime on the game. Maybe he spent this time when he was waiting for a build to complete. Maybe he spent this time while waiting for some QA. There’s always some downtime, in any job, where you could just spend the time on writing a small piece about content you’re extremely familiar with. Meaning it doesn’t cost that much time either. At least you don’t have to think about the content. Just about how to phrase it.
I’m sure nothing was ever delayed simply because a dev posted a message. That’s not how the world works. There are so many factors that go into development, that just spending a bit of time on something that’s not development will not be the cause for any significant delays.
On the plus side, they usually maintain an open conversation with the community, which is very, very valuable. It makes us understand the company and their motives a lot better, generally speaking. And then if they do get to delay, simply because things take more time than expected, or maybe they had technical setbacks, or one of 10 other reasons you tend to encounter in development, we are much more appreciative of that decision, because we have a good understanding of what’s going on.
I think the dev blogs provide value and make a lot of sense from a company perspective.
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What you (@EHG_Mike) wrote about the multiplayer sounds great to me. I prefer solo play, and with a select group of friends that have a (semi) compatible attitude to how fast to go and how much time to spend ‘chimping’ over the collected loot in town. I dislike public parties, I never had a positive experience with those in any game. 5 party members is already a lot, considering that you want to move together as a group and there is little room to manouver.
PvP being separate and having a ‘gladiator’ kind of fights sounds good too. I’m thinking of Exanima (the game), and their arena system (though it’s not pvp), where you play against opponents, unlock gear and can place bets and so on, that might be interesting for PvP instead of people bringing in their gear collected during solo/party play, but maybe as an option (it would put more emphasis on skill rather than luck/duration of play, so it would be easier for new players to step into the pvp arana to play). It would be nice to have a ‘spectator’ mode, and to be able to bet on your favorite player, or maybe even ‘sponsor’ fights by making an item you found a prize that a contestant can win. This would envolve people that don’t like to PvP but like to watch others slaughter each other 
As for loot: it depends on the situation, I like when in a group anyone can pick up an item, sometimes an item drops and I don’t have room in my inventory, so a team player can pick it up, or one persons picks up one item type etc. It’s coop play after all. But that might not work in ‘public’ games of course.
Offline for solo sounds great, though if you ever want to play with others, you are forced to play online always, even if you want to trade items once a months or playe with someone occasionally, so it’s a kind of harsh separation, like HC and SC are separated forever. But I’m very happy you offer the offline possibility, I will definitely play that too.
I don’t know what their resource constraints are, I don’t even know what they do per se (since I’m an accountant not a developer), but broadly speaking, time spent doing task A means you’re not doing task B.
Yeah, maybe Mox/Mike/Sarno/etc have tasks that take a while to run that they can then shift on to something else. I don’t know about them, but I’m not sure I do my best writing/work (such as it is) while waiting for something else to run/compile/whatever. Plus at some point you’d probably want to sit down and focus on writing a blog post.
I also agree that any comments/posts/blogs from the devs are interesting and give us insight into the game.
I’d just disagree if someone said that that kind of thing didn’t have any downside in terms of time taken away from doing something else, or that they were just knocked out in a few mins.
You’re making things much more complicated than they really are. I did not ask for a new dev blog or some other “polished” stuff they have to work out first.
Some teasers, nothing special. Would take about 10 minutes of dev time. EHG takes time to answer a lot of more complicated questions on discord as well as things that get asked over and over again.
If they don’t answer it’s ok, too. I can handle that.
We might need to agree to disagree on that. Maybe it’s because I’ve spent most of my working life in large corporates (which EHG aren’t).
I’m working in a (very, very) large corporate, so I know where you come from, though.
But when I ask you for a small teaser and it takes you two days to put together a presentation with 400 pages, the problem is on your side.
Yeah, but there’s nothing small about my teaser. 
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Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t multiplayer phase 3? I know we have chapter 8 from phase 3 but I don’t think we’ve actually gotten into phase 3 yet. So I’m not sure how they’ve delayed it.
Heck over on one of the thread about the upcoming patch, Mike mentioned something about people wanting a loot filter might be in for a small bit of happiness. This set of a hype storm and he had to come back in and say, 'no it’s not the loot filter, we don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up about that." Then everyone was all disappointed.
I think a ‘tease’ is really only good when they know they’re going to release it. Because, A) they know WHAT and WHEN they’re delivering it. B) They know that the ‘tease to time’ ratio will manageable.
Personally if something is a one-sentence remark about something in the game that a dev may say I put no thought into that, just file it away. Now patch notes and previews, that is where I try to pull my info from.
Yes, but it could be at the beginning of phase 3 or the end. Or even later…
Maybe you people are a bit overacting on that topic. 
Look, I just asked about small infos about the current state of multiplayer and stated that I can’t see a reason they are that silent about it. Nothing more. This was in no way a demand of anything.
- I don’t want to create unjustified hype
- I don’t want the devs to quit their work to please the desires of a little LE addict (me)
- I did not want to start the discussion that arose now, either
It’s all fine. Don’t waste your time explaining to me why it’s better to not talk about a topic they made a blog post 2 years ago. You can’t convince me that there’s nothing to talk about.
But that’s ok. I can live with that. Barely, but still… 
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Sorry, did you just say that someone on the internet overreacted? ARE YOU ****ING SURE ABOUT THAT?!?!?!
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without multiplayer I have no interest in this game.
Multiplayer is still coming, we have no intention of abandoning it at all. It’s still advancing and moving along.
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I just want to chime in on @XLVI_carpo @boardman21 @Llama8 conversation on update info and teasers for multiplayer.
I actually tend to agree with @XLVI_carpo.
While the actual work on the netcodes and getting servers robust for MP will have very little useful things to update and communicate with the community on, I do think there are some valuable game designs conversations the dev could start to share with us even as they tell us from time to time that MP is progressing.
For example, what is the vision for MP in Last Epoch? How would enemies scale with larger parties? What are the type of MP content that devs think would be available for players? Are pick up parties meant to viable? How would we find players to play with? Would there be guild support structure? How similar/dissimilar would MP be compared to POE or D3?
These are questions I wish we could engage the devs on and help to shape the nature of MP in Last Epoch even as the devs are working to get the basics and netcode ready.
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