Mid-Cycle Build Balance Survey

One of your developers said you weren’t planning on nerfing warlock. Now I feel hesitant to upgrade my warlock gear since you might nerf it over night due to ‘overwhelming community feedback’. Of course everyone will vote in favor of nerfs if their builds aren’t up to par. I think it is a dangerous path to post this kind of survey. Nerf or not it can’t do any good for your company in the future.

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Not sure if u have tried some of the other builds in endgame? I would go so far as to say beastmaster might be one of the best mastery in the entire game. 3-4million crow damage, and basically unkillable could probably go for thousands of corruption - but barely any1 plays it.
Its dangerous to only watch “streamers” for builds and then think that this is the most OP ever, and it might destroy your feeling for playing the game as you feel you class is inefficient but it simply isn’t. Yes Warlocks have some bug with ward, and yes falconer has bugs with dive bomb ect. that is all to be fixed soon i reckon.
If u wanna watch a streamer that actually does his own builds, then watch kripp.

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please remove the mana cost on procced spells, for example when i proc a meteor through Fireball it should not cost mana, otherwise it is not fun.

People that think reading is hard probably shouldn’t do the surveys.

I kind of disagree with you. If meteor procs from fireball because you chose to specialize the skill that way, then you accept that cost/cast ratio.

yes i saw this Kripp just today and its a nice alternative out there!

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Yes. 100%.

It’s funny to see those who disagree with mid-cycle balance keep calling those who agree the “vocal minorities”.

Ever think maybe you guys are actually the vocal minorities also? Possibly maybe even the minorities of the minorities? This survey will tell.

And people keep pulling stats trying to show stuff like, 80% of players don’t care, so don’t need to fix it. Well, same can be said for fixing it right? Because 80% of the players don’t care, so why not fix it?

You guys sound like only the feelings of the people whose builds got nerfed are valid, but the feelings of those who would like to see a bit more fairness and less cheating in the gaming world should be ignored.

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I just don’t want people think 800+ corruption is the new norm while abusing miscalculations and “bugged” builds.

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I’m a PoE player and the only time I ever use the leaderboard is when a new league startrs and I can see who is at the top. Outside of that, the leaderboard is irrelevant to me.

I would like to see additions like global broadcasts of “XXXX is the first player to defeat Uber Elder” etc. This allows you to feel the leaderboard progressing.

If a player uses a bugged skill, fix the bugs and move on. Don’t change power levels because it was poorly tuned - the GGG approach is really good, where the major bugs must be fixed and minor ones are logged for next league.

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I imagine that there is other builds just as OP as warlock / falconer, but people just havent been trying them out of theory crafted upon them yet. Game is still rather new, atleast with this amount of attention. That aside bugs needs to be fixed, so that its a fair competition.

I cannot believe that this is still a discussion about balance and leaderboards. You just released the game. This isn’t POE on its 20th league. Polish the base game first, fix the bugs, bring it to a solid state. Some of these bugs are not new, they are there for years. Am I supposed to trust that you will fix all of it at the start of next cycle? You didn’t to it for the release, why would you do it next time?

Also, are we supposed to expect this amount of bugs every cycle? You just released 2 new masteries, over 10 new skills. of course there will be bugs. But treating the current situation like a normal cycle / league doesn’t make sense.This is the 1.0 release, with so much more content added at once than any other cycle probably ever will. I cannot understand why we can’t have a bug-free, solid 1.0 that we can build upon.

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This comment says all you need to hear from me to the survey

Fix the bugs, especially now, at the beginning of the games lifespan. You need a working base to build upon. This isn’t the right time to restrict yourself by adopting GGGs stance on the topic. GGG was in a very different situation, when they implemented that policy. You need a working game without gamebreaking bugs first. When you have that, you can become more lenient.

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Can I really only take part in the survey if I have a google account? Is there no poll function here in the forum?

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  1. I’m glad this poll was made and I think it’s an awesome decision to ask about it.
  2. The questions asked where the questions needed, awesome again.
  3. It would be intresting to see how things worked out.

I’m glad you did a poll on this so things will be clear and easy to see and the outcome will show what the community wants… or at least the part of the community taking part in the process.

Personally, I think that if a change is needed to maintain the health of the game, then I don’t care about such a change being made mid cycle. That’s the nature of any game with builds. Sometimes your build gets nerfed, sometimes buffed. As long as the reason is to maintain the health of the game (as opposed to trying to micro-manage the meta, as I’ve seen a certain other developer do) then the change should be made without delay.

As for leader boards, I have no dog in that fight and my outside opinion on them would likely wind up getting me reported so I’ll keep it to myself for now.

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If you change the order like this, won’t the survey results be mixed up?

Not if people have basic reading comprehension skills… then again, most of the outrage here are because people lack basic skills in things like logic and reading comprehension.

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The health of the game is, do not fuck with cycles. Every other major ARPG has figured this out. You nerf things mid cycle and you lose a large amount of players, most of who don’t bother with forums and have no idea that something was fixed because it was a bug. A good number of them won’t come back, because why bother playing if my shit is going to get randomly nerfed.

The whole advantage of cycles/leagues/seasons/etc is that you can do large balance changes (which include bug fixes to skills) on a completely predictable cycle. People know when things will change, and expect that some builds won’t work as they did before (but other new ones will appear).

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No need to nerf or buff during middle of the cycle to overperform or underperform build just leave it as it is untill the next cycle, unless it’s a bug that cause server or client issue.

On the other hand, Leader board might should be splited if something like this happen.

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