Melee Primalist Builds

[Rommero]

@Psojed

Melee focused build would instead use flat +Melee Crit Chance and flat +Melee damage affixes on weapons, and other crit stats elsewhere on gear, as well as a source of Doom debuff. Melee build would also have Crashing Waves in TS and some +skill levels for TS to grab all the %more dmg nodes.

This build is focused on GS procs thus maximizing spell dmg.

I wanted to specifically play around Stormbreaker and perfect it as much as possible.

For pure melee - for sure, doom and other shenanigans are a must

[Rommero]

@Psojed

Yes, you cannot provide feedback about it, because you have no idea what you’re talking about. The usual way to do it is to:

Jesus, dude. Stop mentoring me ffs. I’m really fed up with you.

I know all the things you write, if I wanted some1 help I’d go to other forum/discord (which I did with the latter one) sections.

My idea is to state the fact of scarcity of such builds, not looking for help with mines.

[Rommero]

@Psojed

Melee focused build would instead use flat +Melee Crit Chance and flat +Melee damage affixes on weapons, and other crit stats elsewhere on gear, as well as a source of Doom debuff. Melee build would also have Crashing Waves in TS and some +skill levels for TS to grab all the %more dmg nodes.

Sure thing. This way with pure TS the GS won’t be needed at all and probably would open up a free space in skills for the bear and Lynx in the passive tree. But that’d be a completely different build.
Without Stormbreaker, without attunement stacking and probably without red rings even (or with 1 max). Same goes for the amulet.

I’d look into TS with the %inc cold dmg (per helath regen) set this way. But that’s just theory, needs time to see numbers

[Rommero]

GS as a pure melee option imho is not viable completely as it really lacks “More” nodes in its tree

[Rommero]

@Psojed

That’s right.

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard but ok.

That’s basically why we will never have any sort of consensus.

So please let’s stop it. You have your point, I have mine. That’s why I opened the topic in the first place.

Please open yours nearby if you really need so you can provide all the proofs, legend, list of used terms, lemmas and theorems and whatsoever

[Psojed]

@HorusKBZ

If you don’t use Storm Breaker, you’ll need GS.

We discussed generating stacks in the other topic. There’s a new unique belt that gives you the first stack to kickstart the stack generation, and then a minion or totem can keep them up.

Question for a build: Lightning Primalist (Shaman?) with Tempest Strike?

I looked it up, and it seems builds with Sky Opener always use Totems to generate stacks - which makes sense, the totem hits way faster than animals. For example here he used Storm Totem https://youtu.be/qFYqTH2d8CE?t=692. What’s noticeable is that when he actually uses tempest strike for a while, the stacks go down. And here is a variant with 5 Thorn Totems https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ECrZho9gs which can keep the stacks up. I’m pretty sure that with just 2 Crows you wou…

With using GS directly, you’d probably try to stack Storm Stacks as high as possible in order to make them expend faster but no idea how that compares to the other options.

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@HorusKBZ

Removing TS frees a skill slot. Specialize the bear as a health buffer for survivability, and switch out the Titan Heart armour for the one that shares damage taken with your companion.

Well, TS is a faster attack by default (just like Vengeance vs. Rive for example). At around 200% AS from items, we’re looking at a difference of 2-3 attacks per second.

TS also provides extra spell damage - from Heorot’s Arsenal and Gladiator of Lagon buff stacking.

But in general we can say that this change gives away damage for a more tanky minion. I think his build is already weak, I’d definitely change the armor like you suggested, but I wouldn’t specialize into the bear

[Psojed]

@Rommero

I know all the things you write

Really? Because it sure doesn’t look like you put them into practice.

@Rommero

Jesus, dude. Stop mentoring me ffs. I’m really fed up with you.

Dude, notice that you’re the one who keeps asking me silly questions about god and/or bringing up sarcastic remarks. You could simply stop, and we could have a normal discussion with everyone involved here. The choice was always yours.

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@Rommero

I wanted to specifically play around Stormbreaker and perfect it as much as possible.

Okay, then you’re a spell build. As in, the majority of your damage comes from Storm Bolts, so you need % increased spell lightning damage stat.

@Rommero

The bear isn’t as great due to him perishing too quickly and there’s no skill to remove in his favor thus making Aspect of the Lynx not that useful as well. Moreover, the crit multi is already fine with all the procs and frenzy totem.

Aspect of the Lynx doesn’t require specializing into a minion. Just press the Taunt button that you already have on your skillbar under Q. As for being fine already … no comment

edit: I moved your passive points around so you can keep Aspect of the Shark, have Aspect of the Lynx and partial Primal Aspects: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0O2qaPA

The change of body armor that HorusKBZ suggested is a good idea, and I would also put points into Primal Aspects, that’s another DR% source. Since you only have one companion, you can pick up the “limited to 1 companion node” with extra minion Health for one point.

[Rommero]

@Psojed

The change of body armor that HorusKBZ suggested is a good idea, and I would also put points into Primal Aspects, that’s another DR% source. Since you only have one companion, you can pick up the “limited to 1 companion node” with extra minion Health for one point.

Without speccing in bear and adding affixes to minon health he dies insanely fast.

And unfortunately (correct me if I’m wrong) taunt won’t give you Lynx aspect if the minion is dead

[Rommero]

@Psojed

Really? Because it sure doesn’t look like you put them into practice.

For the holy Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus, stahp, Coral

[Rommero]

@Psojed

The choice was always yours.

I choose to stop. Ty. Guess I’m not the only 1 in the world asking you to.

[Psojed]

@Rommero

Without speccing in bear and adding affixes to minon health he dies insanely fast.

Embodiment gives Aspect of the Boar to companions and Natural Bond gives 75% more health, should help quite a bit. You could always slap a Minion Health affix onto your helmet for example.

From the Abby video it looks like he could tank the Abby slams, but there was no HP regen or leech for the bear to heal back up, that’s probably why he dies.

@Rommero

I choose to stop.

You say you know you can stop. You say you choose to stop. But then you don’t stop:

@Rommero

For the holy Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus, stahp, Coral

[HorusKBZ]

@Psojed

From the Abby video it looks like he could tank the Abby slams, but there was no HP regen or leech for the bear to heal back up, that’s probably why he dies.

The roar would heal the bear for 25% max HP each time.

[Rommero]

@Psojed

Embodiment gives Aspect of the Boar to companions and Natural Bond gives 75% more health, should help quite a bit. You could always slap a Minion Health affix onto your helmet for example.

I had the HP passives last season but they weren’t helping, esp in high corr monos.

[Rommero]

@HorusKBZ

The roar would heal the bear for 25% max HP each time.

Sounds at least plausible

[Rommero]

@Psojed

You say you know you can stop. You say you choose to stop. But then you don’t stop:

Whatever you say, cowboy

[Rommero]

@Psojed

edit: I moved your passive points around so you can keep Aspect of the Shark, have Aspect of the Lynx and partial Primal Aspects: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0O2qaPA

Switched to the suggested points:

• not really worth spending extra point for extra effect as bear dies way too quickly on 800 corr and abberoth
• in general the respeccing results in almost 120% crit multi (resulting in ~470% crit multi instead of 350% without it) at the cost of 18 passive points. Good thing - lynx procs on skill use even when pet is down. Bad thing - you have to revive it, he really dies a lot.
• On the countrary those 18 points can be spent in favor of survivability (str/dex nodes) and small flat dmg increases (some attunement node in shaman)
• Generally - looks like an improvement, ty. But still - not sure it’ll bring the build close enough to uber yet it being still close (800-900 corr and feeling fine, normal abby in 2 mins) feels it just needs a little bigger push to finally being an uber killer.

In the meantime - there’s a bear build killing uber under a minute

[BeardusMaximus]

Could you fit swipe on cooldown into the build? this would fully heal your minion every 2 seconds and allow for 100% uptime of aspect of the lynx and bear roar buffs.

[GoldenExperience]

IMO even with this keeping a support companion alive in Uber is tough. The DoTs just shred combined with the big damage of Triple flail slam and its difficult to get them to dodge Timeshattering slam(or any attack for that matter).

[Psojed]

@Rommero

in general the respeccing results in almost 120% crit multi (resulting in ~470% crit multi instead of 350% without it) at the cost of 18 passive points.

9 passive points. It also gives +100% inc stun chance, +5% base crit and +3% leech on crit.

If you think it’s not worth spending extra points on the bear, then feel free to not switch the other 9 points that went into Natural Bond, Embodiment and Primal Aspects.

@Rommero

Generally - looks like an improvement, ty.

Next I would suggest changing these:

Gloves - Grasp of the Blood Mage. Trade some of your attack speed for Spell Crit, Spell Leech, CDR and most importantly, 25% of hit dmg taken is dealt over 4 seconds = another defensive layer. This same effect but better is later found on gloves that drop from Uber.

Boots - Vaion’s Chariot. I assume you’re using your current boots for the +all attributes, that’s good, but everything else on those boots is kinda wasted. Your current Endurance is overcapped, and Excited Bolts consume % of mana, so the mana cost reduction doesn’t really change much AFAIK.
Vaion’s are annoying to farm via arenas/colloseum echo, but they’d fix all the resistances under 70%, add armor, allow faster movement speed and somewhat fix the damage lost from those all attributes.

Idols - 1x3 large idols with 6-9% HP/11-30% lightning or 12-32% spell dmg + 2x1 humble idols with VIT and spelldmg.
A 2x2 idols with spelldmg can work too, those have kinda meh prefixes, but you’ll get more spelldmg out of them. Something like this: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bap6769Q

[BeardusMaximus]

That is absolutely true. I’m not sure that stormbreaker builds can kill Uber though. Would be fine for normal abby and high corruption though.