No, I haven’t. But it’s worth trying.
Alright, I’m back with some test results.
I tested Manifest Armour with unique items I have and those that are easy to observe. Here’s my conclusion based on the results:
Unique effects that are persistent (i.e., effects that are always active) seem to work on Manifest Armour.
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- Effect: 100% of Bleed Chance Converted to Ignite Chance.
- Note: Tested with Smelter’s Might. No bleed effect observed.
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Alchemist’s Ladle & Rainbow Edge:- Effect: +(X)% chance to Shock Ignite and Chill on Hit.
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- Effect: (3-6)% of Current Health Drained per Second.
- Note: Manifest Armour is constantly losing health.
Unfortunately, unique effects that need to be triggered do not seem to work at all. This includes:
1. Effects that trigger under certain condition:
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- Effect: (25-35)% Chance to gain Haste for 1 second on Hit.
- Note: No visual effect of Haste observed.
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- Effect: You are shocked for 4 seconds when you stop moving.
- Note: Command Manifest Armour to move to a point. No visual effect of shock observed when it stopped.
2. Effects that cast a skill/spell under certain condition:
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Alluvion:
- Effect: 100% Chance to cast Tidal Wave when you use a Melee Attack (2 second cooldown).
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Bhuldar’s Wrath:
- Effect: 100% Chance to use Earthquake after using a Non-Channelled Movement Ability.
- Note: Tested with Dash Boots node of Manifest Armour. Nothing happens when it charges.
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Dark Shroud of Cinders:
- Effect: +(17-25)% Chance to cast Fire Aura when hit (1 second cooldown).
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Keeper’s Gloves:
- Effect: 10% chance to summon a swarm of bees on melee hit (8 second cooldown).
- Note: Command Manifest Armour to hit the training dummy for a while, and nothing happened.
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Rule of the Simoon:
- Effect: +30% Chance to cast stationary fire Tornado at a nearby enemy on hit (3 second cooldown).
3. Effects that trigger every few seconds:
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Last Steps of the Living:
- Effect: You are Chilled every 3 seconds.
- Note: No visual effect of chill observed.
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Bulwark of the Last Abyss:
- Effect: Every 3 seconds if you are on high health you lose 25% of your current health and gain the Apocalypse buff for 3 seconds.
- Note: Tested with shield-bearer node of Manifest Armour. It did not lose ealth, and no visual effect of Apocalypse buff observed.
4. Special cases:
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Exsanguinous:
- Effect: 20% of Current Health Lost per second. 20% of Missing Health gained as Ward per second.
- Note: Not sure why this one isn’t working. Manifest Armour did not lose any health, and I’m not seeing the unique visual effect of Exsanguinous.
TL ;DR: Unique effects that need to be triggered do not seem work on Manifest Armour. I believe this is true for Forged Weapon.
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So just to get this straight; let’s say my forged weapon only does base physical damage. A weapon with “+10% increased physical” vs one with “10% increased minion damage”, they would be identical in terms of how much damage the forged weapon deals, correct? And also the increased minion damage one doesn’t buff other minions I control, correct?
Yes, that’s correct, but there are different minion affies like “minion melee damage” which would buff all melee dmg, not just physical.
So comparing physical dmg with minion damage/minion melee damage does make a difference, if your weapon has non-physical melee damage on it.
But generaly %inc modifiers are all additive and it doesn’t make a differenc,e depending on what exact stats they impact.
It still buffs other minions you have, the Forged Weapon or Manifest Armour does not “steal” thsoe affixes, they just also apply to them.
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Thanks for the reply, Heavy!
Right. But it doesn’t “double dip” per say, right? I have the affix and so does the forged weapon, but that doesn’t cause it to count twice, right?
No. The Forged Weapons get the benefit of the minion damage from your weapons, but as they aren’t their own minions, they can’t benefit from the minion damage on “their own” weapons.
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Ok, thanks Llama! I have another post dealing with a similar matter (minions and buffs). You and Heavy seem to know a lot about this kinda stuff, so I thought I’d link it. I’d really appreciate you guys checking it out. Sigil of Hope + Ring of Shields interaction
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Do set bonuses apply to forged weapons? For example, the Ruby Fang set gives: +1% melee poison chance per 14% uncapped fire res. Would my forged weapons get this, and would it look at the minion’s fire res or mine? What about manifest armour, if I give it both weapon and shield (both parts of the set), then would it apply? Thanks!
I’d be surprised if they did since the set bonus isn’t an affix on the weapon.
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Yeah you’re probably right. But if anyone knows for sure, please let me know!
Also, if anyone knows how affixes that are based on your stats work with forge guard minions, please let me know. examples: the previous ruby fang example for forged weapons, or thornshell’s “Increased Flat Damage Reflected to Attackers per Attunement” for ring of shields.
Ok…
Who votes that @stebobibo creates a “How things Work” FAQ thread here on the forum… ?
He/she/they must have a huge list of question/answers by now…
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haha, so true, and good idea! 
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That would depend on how much stats the minions have not to be confused with how much bonus they get from your stats.
Does anyone know how the crystal sword interacts with forged weapons? It has “increased melee elemental damage” and “increased elemental melee attack speed”. I’ve read this post on crystal swords: crystal sword and it seems like the increased damage is always active, but to get the attack speed you have to use an elemental attack. But do forged weapons use elemental attacks?
Side note, I find it weird how the writing of “melee elemental” and “elemental melee” are reversed like that. Is that on purpose?
Forged Weapons would only benefit from the Increased Melee Elemetal Damage, if you have any kind of elemental damage type on your weapon or giving your minions any kind of flat melee elemental damage.
They would not gain attack speed though, because they only us a basic melee attack, which only has a melee and physical attack. (You can find this information ingame, by pressing alt on any skill, that refers to Forged Weapons)
Not sure what you are talking about, everywhere in the game it’s refered to Melee Elemental/Physical/[insert any damage type]
Thanks once again, Heavy! A
These tooltips can be kinda misleading though. Because, yes, it does say only melee and physical on those tooltips. But for the tootip on your action bar it includes fire (when you have the added fire node).
Wrong on this one. It certainly does say:“increased elemental melee attack speed”, and not “melee elemental”. Here’s a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/a0Q9NaL
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The Minion get’s the Fire tag yeah, but I don’t think the melee attack it uses will get a fire tag.
Flat Added damage does usually not modify tags, there are only a few exceptions of this, which specifically state it.
I could swear this was different on previous patches lul.
Dammitt’s Lastepochtools also has it correctly
