The only thing I want to ask u everyone what do u think of studio releasing expansion for the game that is not finished and was released one and half year ago.
Ps don’t get me wrong I approve payed expansions for the good of studio
I think overall it’ll be a detriment to the game. After the Krafton acquisition I decided that, I will continue to play the game but won’t spend any more money until they have proven that it won’t be turned into a pay to win fiasco.
I think that many others feel the same way and also won’t purchase a paid expansion. This will split the already relatively low playerbase in two. This will also impact item factions as some items will be exclusive to the expansion.
Over all it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth and marks the start of the “enshitifiication” that many players are worried about.
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Yeah its a really bad shit look in general.
if they had this in the works before krafton well rip them cause timing is mega shite.
“Dont worry guys, game will be the same its always been” literally first major news since being bought, “we are releasing an expansion” “so its free right?” “sorry we can not elaborate on pricing right now”
Which is just code for “no its not free”
And season 4 has since been confirmed being different then the expansion. So the “Expansion” is something totally different.
I think going paid expansions for a seasonal game is just suicide, the only one who does this is Diablo, who is a huge name/company.
I sure as hell wont be able to get anyone to play this game that has a cash shop, supporter packs, a box price AND paid expansions rofl.
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How I am seeing this, is rather frightening…
Look up the shenanigans that Escape from Tarkov’s devs did a couple years ago, when they had a $200 “this gets you all future content” edition, and then released paid DLC that was NOT part of it, citing “new game modes are not content” or something akin to that.
That is what this is kinda feeling like. And frankly, EHG needs to react FAST to this situation, because it is only going to snowball harder and harder, the longer they wait.
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To me, that is the important bit. The only one that matters.
I like the expansion model a lot more than seasons, as a rule. I almost never buy cosmetics, especially not in a PoE-like, but I don’t mind paying, even a lot, for more stories and more areas to explore.
Sounds fair.
However, you can’t “expand” on a story that you haven’t bothered rounding up in the first place. With the original game in the state it is, there is no way it can be called an expansion. Just a cash-cow…
A dick move if I ever saw one.
Thankfully, there are loads of other games to buy and play.
The biggest joke for me here is that Mike yesterday stated that they still don’t have any info will it be payed expansion or not Mike is a CO founder its interesting as well that they named expansion and said it is the most ambitious project ever for them without knowing should they charge for it or not. So to me it seams they are insulting our IQ which is rely pissing me of. All of this count have been communicated and done 10 times better
Mike is a co-founder and most of the economic (and others, like season release dates) decisions don’t go through him. He already said before that he isn’t really aware of the state of several things that aren’t to do with development, which is what he mostly focuses on.
So yeah, it doesn’t surprise me at all that he has no info on that, much like he didn’t have much info on the Krafton deal or on several other decisions in the past.
Its just a perfect answer I think. I cant imagine myself being CO founder of some company and not knowing of something of that high of importance
I can. As a programmer, if I wanted to join with someone else to create a new game (and let’s not forget that this is Judd’s baby, first and foremost), I would most likely also just focus on the development and design aspects of it and totally ignore the economic aspects of it.
Mike is usually very aware of the coding part of LE. He might not be aware on the state of some specific features (because there are lots of different teams working on different features at the same time), but he usually has a good knowledge of how things work, what you need to change in order to implement something or other, etc.
Very likely that Mike knows even a lot more about this than Judd does.
As EHG grew, they just focused on different aspects of it. Judd became the CEO and Mike became a lead designer/developer (don’t know if the US has an acronym for that sort of position).
So it’s likely Mike was aware that Judd was looking for a partner, but he had no idea on the details, who was on the list, etc.
Likewise, it’s quite likely Mike had some idea that they were going to do an expansion (that falls into the development area, after all) but he has no idea on the financial decisions behind it.
Anyway, on the same day that the Krafton aquisition was announced, one of Judd’s comments was that it was possible that expansions would be paid (which goes against what they always said in regards to this, but so was mastery respec, so… 
), so I would say that it’s very likely this expansion will indeed be paid.
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Mike said (slightly redacted to remove ‘uh’ and repeated words)
I don’t have any extra information I can share yet. As soon as anything is allowed to be shared, we’ll share it.
So, he probably knows, but has to withhold that information for now.
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It is very clearly supposed to be a paid expansion.
If it wasn’t, a dev would have jumped in within minutes of the debate starting in the main thread. The silence says it all.
There is a very small chance that they would change their mind if the backlash feels too strong. That’s probably why they are not saying anything just yet: to judge the reactions.
Then they would come up with something along the lines of
“Oh, of course it is free for PC! Absolutely! We’ve always said all content would be free after the first purchase. We’re very commited to that! Did we forget to mention it in the announcement? So sorry, must have slipped our mind.”
But again, it is a slim chance, plan A is obviously to make it paid.
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I feel the same, though I’m usually in the Don’t Panic faction.
Personally, I never cared for ‘we plan all future content to be free’. I didn’t know that when I bought into the game.
I rather have paid expansions (if they are worth it) than all this cosmetic MTX stuff, honestly.
Though I understand the anger of fans who took EHG’s plan of giving all future content out for free as immutably granted and bought supporter packs under that premise.
Even though I recognize that their chosen language left the door open to change this policy as far as I can tell, it’s not a good move, especially due to the acquisition by Krafton.
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I think this is spot on, if the plan was a free expansion someone from EHG would have clarified this after the negative backlash.
The fact that nothing has been said in respct to this speak volumes.
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The issue is that LE is a paid game upfront. On top of that you have supporter packs and MTX. Adding paid expansions on top of that sounds a bit greedy. It would be fine if you had one or the other, but not with both.
IIRC, Judd’s comment on possibly making paid expansions was in the context of helping them move on to consoles. Which is fine for consoles. But not for the PC players that bought into the whole “The upfront money you pay is for all future content” promise. They said we’d never have to pay for new game content (other than MTX, of course).
This, and other instances where they went back on their word, makes me lose a lot of faith in EHG. And, as everyone is probably aware, I’ve always been a great defender of them as a studio, mostly because of their communication with the fans (which is sadly totally gone from the forums since launch) and their whole stance of “players first, studio second” they’ve had over the years.
I don’t think they can get away with charging the expansion to console only. Not only would a bunch of players cry out that it’s not fair, it would also hurt console sales. After all, why would you pay for the game+expansion, when you could pay only for the game on PC and get the same content?
So yes, sadly I believe that we’ll get a paid expansion. When the main game isn’t finished yet.
My goodwill towards EHG is rapidly waning, and that makes me sad.
I still love LE, it’s still lots of fun to play, but recent decisions tampered my enthusiasm for it. I didn’t even buy the supporter pack for this season, which is a first for me.
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It’s not just gone from the forums, it seems it has just gone all together. There hasn’t been much of anything clarifying if the expansion will be paid or not, which in itself is almost clarification that it will be paid.
Why not put out this fire with a clear communication from the devs that it’s not a paid expansion? The silence on this tells us everything we need to know.
This too is absolutely spot on and echo’s my own feelings. I haven’t bought the supporter packs this season, for the first time and will not spend another penny on the game, be it paid expansion or supporter pack until EHG can demostrate that the Krafton aqusition will not turn LE into a microtransaction pay to win hell scape.
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yeah that’s a very good comparison
Well, they could have just sold some more of the company to fund the console port(s) if that’s the case. They didn’t HAVE to make a paid expansion or sell the company.
This isn’t EHG anymore. It’s 100% Krafton.
I only agree if this is like the only way of monetizing a game. D4 has expansion/s in the future, battle pass, in game cosmetics, 5 euros to press play , 10 to uninstall, 20 to login to battlenet. So I am good with the cosmetics LE got in the game. I can support them through those and/or supporter packs like I did so far. I do not want to pay for every bit of the game
Absolutely fair!
First the base game needs to be handled though. We don’t even have a worthy 1.0 version despite going towards Cycle 4, which is laughable. So before asking your customers for more money better make sure they get what they paid for.
Which you’re right, it’s the second part.
Principle.
It’s not bad to do this or that… but some prefer one over the other, and when you proclaim ‘we’ll do it this way’ then you better keep to doing it that way.
I mean… nobody found fault for it with GW2, but they also provided a coherent solid game from the get-go and improved stuff for free while providing loads of stuff for free on the side. So when expansions came around people were happy to pay into them.
Also they had MTX and even a P2W style money exchange, but made in a manner where it was at least acceptable enough to not cause any ire.
EHG does have no foundation set up to allow people to keep calm about it.
All still a bit ‘if they do’ but the idea of it possibly happening is a major point to discuss. ‘What happens when’ scenarios are nothing else then proper preparation. And no clearance on the situation means also that wallets stay closed until that happens.
Same here, but the signs were visible since a long time now, having shown themselves majorly shortly before release but being there since years pre-release already.
But people close both eyes as long as stuff is not too outrageous, crossing the line though is easy… stepping back on the other hand… the line rolls backwards a lot in such a case.
Even if it actually is then clear communication would at least ‘get it over with’. This way? Staying silent? In such a situation it only causes more anger to build up as time passes, it isn’t waning.
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