Mouse wheel carpal tunnel alert incoming!!1!
You know I love you, but damn if you don’t make me look concise.
aaannnnddd, score! Wow that is a book!
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I noticed that too… They let Harris in but not T R U M P… I though a game was supposed to be a game not lecturing real world stuff.
Here is an example for taking something with humour.
My wife is severely disabled and has memory issues. She takes this with humour by saying that it has its benefits, because I don’t need to think of new jokes every day. I could recycle the one from last week. It’s not mocking, not offensive, it just creates a light-hearted perspective.
Counter-example:
What Luke Mockridge said about the Paralympic swimmers - that was not humour. A joke from his perspective, maybe. A mockery for sure. But there was nothing humorous about it.
So, reducing the mental suffering of victims is not a good enough goal? Resulting in depression, anxiety, and potentially worse? There are some corpses in cyberbullying.
Harm is a physical or otherwise injury or damage. Being sporadically inconvenienced by a blocked message falls under the ‘no harm done’-category. This filter isn’t severely reducing your ability to communicate.
Your freedom of expression/opinion is already limited by the ToS, the filter is just a policing tool - with errors. The ToS is severely limiting what you can and cannot say on EHG’s services.
You feel entitled to something that you aren’t to in the first place: to say on their server what you want. Learn to behave and act with respect in someone else’s home.
I love to swear, but if the system blocks my message because it contained swearwords, I feel called out, not annoyed.
You think people create an uprising or go into general strike or coup the government because a message was wrongfully blocked? Because that was the scope of this research paper. Can’t be applied here, if you ask me. And it appears to be shallow and biased.
Friend lists do not equal friends and friendly behaviour. A distinct whitelist separately from the friend list might be okay. I have a couple of people on my LE friend list - they are just contacts.
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Irony in that case. Self-deprecating humor. Also a fantastic coping mechanism to reduce personal problems to a joke in your mind.
The punchline itself which is was quoted quite a lot is quite dark humor but humor.
The context around it… yes, that’s not.
Well, how many other distressed people do you create in return for limiting freedom of expression? Is it a worthy exchange? Extremely likely for a basic filter (as mentioned, necessary evil) but for anything further? Very unlikely and it produces likely the opposite rather then actively helping more.
That’s why the mentioned other methods are there.
They help and do the job properly.
Harm is also mental, you can hurt someone physically or mentally.
You can cause involuntary harm.
You can cause voluntary harm.
No?
Depending on the block and the lack of ability to re-describe it it can nonetheless cause major frustration to actual anxiety though. It’s a form of ‘loss of control’ after all.
In our case in LE it’ll likely be mild.
But once more, if it’s such a hefty existing issue why aren’t respective measures already taken?
EHG - unlike me before today - has given the aspect of harassment in their game clear thought after all… so how comes that there wasn’t a single one looking at a variety of games and how they handle it there? Because you’ll easily find a few which have different options which all return to ‘we just remove the inherent ability to freely message people without their consent’.
That’s the far bigger question here actually.
The profanity filter being overzealous is a detriment for communication, and it being overzealous has - by design - a piss-poor performance to avoid those situations in comparison to the weakest of the other options.
Can’t see if the person is online? Chance highly reduced to try harassing them.
Can’t message the person? Well, how should you start it in the first place?
You see where I’m coming from?
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Latency is only one of over a dozen different metrics to measure network performance.
A lot of these metrics are outside of both EHG’s and your control. Some are only in your responsibility and some are in EHG’s responsibility.
With the issue you are describing and Kain saying this shouldn’t happen like this, you should open a bug report and give EHG as much info as possible so they can find the issue that is causing this delay behaviour.
“The winner is the last one who drowns.”
Do you really consider this a punchline?
And taking perspectives like this is why I consider you to marginalize victims of harassment. You seemingly weigh this higher than the harm done by harassment.
Or your example with the people shouting ‘punch me in the face’. I have heard similar horrible arguments that went along the line: ‘women are at fault, why do they wear mini-skirts?’
Nope, still not. The filter is a bit overzealous, but in the example that Sarthis provided, it successfully filtered the profanities. It did what it was supposed to be, I guess. In this case, it is a detriment to communication by design.
If you think that disallowing profanities in their chat is a big social issue and limits your freedom, you have a problem with entitlement. Do you deny EHG the right to block the word shit from their chat?
This does not solve all the problems, though. First of all, we still have the public chat or party chat. You are pro profanity filter, right? But not a context-based one, if it works that way? Because it has sporadic false flags?
Working with friend lists, white lists, blocking all private messages by default until a user accepts messages from a specific user - those are all things you can add on top.
But they won’t work as an automatic policing tool, and they aren’t foolproof. Many people would accept incoming requests out of curiosity, I guess. The door is open, after all.
Or you put someone on your friend list and a day later, things turn sour - something I experienced in Warframe. Or it turns out that you are a woman. What often follows are insults, constant sexual innuendo up to the point of what I would consider verbal SA. There were men doing experiments, pretending to be women, using voice filters and all. They suddenly had a baaaad time.
Your measures might be good in some ways, but they aren’t a great solution, either.
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This alone should be enough for you to realize how insane your arguments on this matter are…
If you have to exaggerate so much like this to prove your points, then those things might not have much in common after all?
And I suppose you don’t want to go down the “who is generally being wrongly imprisoned in the western society” discussion, since you already showed you lack knowledge on racial studies.
Guess I’m done with this thread. See yall.
Well, yes. If you’re asking me, I’m very thankful to EHG for not seeing shit like that in the end of the day in chat, when I just want to chill.
Edit: oh look, they didn’t censor me for saying shit here… Maybe you could create a thread to share your feelings whenever you feel you need to say some bad words.
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It’s really macabre, but it’s humor.
And I repeat, what happened in the whole context though… is not humor.
Ohhh, that argumentation line.
‘You seemingly weigh this higher then…’
Do I?
Is that what you’ve taken away from all of that?
That’s a big ‘oof’ there I would say in context.
And the full context by now is:
I’m against using profanity filters and instead are - as a end result with all things taken together - for the loss of anonymity online to enforce accountability as well as the implementation for methods which aren’t interruptive but outright avoiding those situations to happen in the first place.
Does that sound ‘marginalizing’ to you?
Once more, big ‘oof’ there.
As for the mini-skirt argument… that one didn’t uphold at any time. No, obviously not at fault, also another situation.
In comparison if they go like that knowingly into a district with a high number of such crimes while even making a detour for whatever reason (thrill seeking could be one) then there’s suddenly partial fault on their part. Obviously doesn’t excuse it happening in the first place but you can’t reasonably deny partial fault there, because intentionally putting yourself in danger you know is taking a part of responsibility for it happening in the first place.
If you deny this concept by itself you deny taking responsibility for actions overall, which would be a problem.
As mentioned above: Nuance.
Things are barely ever black and white, even in the worst situations.
Yes, false flags, I’m also for a loss of online anonymity and hence accountability, take that into consideration.
And I’m also for ‘punishment fitting the crime’ which means in case of breaking rules of conduct for the chat (mild) two warnings following a permanent chat-ban. By severely overstepping it (harassment or similar) instantaneous permanent chat-ban.
This way not even a filter would be needed at all, but sadly we have the aspect of extremely lowered inhibition because of anonymity.
And the second they do so they accept partial responsibility for it happening. It’s like taking candies from a stranger. Yes, obviously it sucks when you get poisoned then… but you should damn well know not to do it in the first place.
And as said, active sexual harassment needs to be accordingly prosecuted in the real life.
That’s not done.
Therein lies the problem.
First of all ‘I don’t have to’ but instead my mind didn’t give me a better example to use at that time.
Differentiate between that.
And yes, I don’t wanna go down the route because it’s so far away from the initial topic of the profanity filter that it doesn’t make sense.
Though if it becomes a reasonable topic to have then sure, there’s several distinct pointers nowadays for which crimes it happens for, and those are generally the ones which are extremely hard to prove guilt/innocence after it happens. You should know which direction I’m going there.
Wow, I am so sorry, my apologies! I didn’t know that such a harmful message would’ve triggered your anxiety and ruined your day! I am sorry
Then you’ve clearly been doing it wrong…
That bold bit isn’t what R&D is. I’m not quite sure what you mean by investment, are you talking about a company investing in themselves (eg, buying new, more efficient/better equipment that may give them more/better capabilities) or investing in other companies (which is the bedrock of our economic system, access to capital so you can do more, build a new factory/etc)? Either way, not giving any form of tax relief would have a massive chilling effect on the economy, there’s a reason why governments don’t do that.
Ahh, socialism. Personally I’d be interested in seeing how that works in practice without all of the “other side”'s commentators getting all emotional/hysterical about it. Society would certainly look very different.
If you’re at the point of the previous section, what’s the point of money?
Yes. But you need to remember that there are 2 people in the conversation & that if there’s miscommunication it’s not automatically the other person’s fault, nor are you right by default. And if you go with the “but that’s not what I’ve said”, it’s how you come across, consistently.
How did that go for Blizzard when they wanted to have people’s IRL names in battlenet instead of usernames?
Well, it does sound like you’re ok with opening them up to IRL harassment as well…
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What is going on with this thread, guys, please get a room, this is about the profanity filter in the game
Yes, which by itself is fine, though taxation should happen before re-investment, with a balancing accordingly to not cause businesses or people to avoid taxation by instead solely re-investing (which at times they can sell respectively needed assets for a profit later on, in the end-result avoiding taxation solely)
Yes, in the current situation it can’t be done, there’s absolutely massive changes needed to make it a possibility, informed investment versus informed time usage rather then ‘growth is everything’ mentality. Which has proven to be detrimental long-term already.
Yes, neither socialism nor capitalism are bad, they become though - like the majority of things - when taken to an extreme.
In Europe for example healthcare is quite good. But… it’s a socialistic setup of the system. Hence we can clearly see that such systems aren’t automatically negative or positive, it’s fully situational and with differents ups and downs attached.
Status, progress beyond the basis. To allow the ‘self made man’ to exist and distinct between those not willing or able to further themselves. This is a important aspect of a society, pure socialism fails because there is no motivation, motivation is created by either bettering your own circumstances (which alone is a surprisingly weak motivator) or comparing yourself to others and wanting to be ahead (which is a surprisingly strong motivator, wish it would be the other way around but it isn’t).
Well, that’s why the ‘oof’ is not targeted 
It’s a ‘the whole thing is ‘oof’’
That’s not a loss of anonymity, this shoving identity down people’s throats.
As above with socialism… there’s magnitudes of things to be done.
A loss of anonymity can still adhere to the right of privacy. You as the user don’t know the identity of others, you’re anonymous towards them.
The company though knows and has the ability to forward it when needed, while also be by law demanded to keep it under wraps and safe.
Devolved into political discussions and social commentary. Just like most ingame global chats. I recommend getting your popcorn.
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Or there is just no enemy left… MUHARHARHARHAR!!!
Since we devalue human work force by automation and fewer and fewer people can have a decent income based on their job, increased socialism seems to be the only not completely fucked-up solution left.
Account money is a measuring tool, a scale to weigh the value of different goods, services etc. against each other. That’s what we use nowadays, almost exclusively.
Currency money, on the other hand, has an inherent value due to the material value of the physical object representing the money, e.g. gold.
Account money to account for stuff is still useful.
You see, as much as you might not like reading about economy and socialism, other people might not want to read profanities or sexual innuendo in public chat. While I am quite an offender in this regard myself at times and personally don’t mind that language, other people do.
Therefore, we should ask ourselves if we could be a bit more mindful of each other’s sensitivities.
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You do realize that LE isn’t an 18+ game? There are kids playing. So it’s perfectly legit for EHG to want to sanitize the language of the chat.
Also, as can be seen by the chats on D2/PoE and even most multiplayer games, unsupervized chat (or just human moderated chat with bans for punishment) just leads to a toxic chat environment.
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Which would make it significantly more expensive to invest so companies would do it less & there would be less efficient machinery used. This is generally a bad thing, though if less equipment is being bought, less is being made which would have less of an effect on the environment (which could be a bad thing in the long term if older less efficient machinery was being used, just imagine old diesel cars versus new more efficient models).
This is what you’re trying to achieve by disallowing investment for tax purposes, there is no “with a balance accordingly”, you’ve said the same thing twice.
Also, reinvesting your profits into either expanded production capabilities or similar is a good thing, the alternative is to either sit on your cash (Apple, some yeats ago), or pay it to your investors/shareholders, there is no social upside here.
This is the current status quo. Companies don’t just spunk their money at the nearest shiniest thing (all the time).
They generally become bad when people get involved. Sadly.
Actually no. Germany, for example, has a healthcare system like the US, they need the user to have insurance or they pay out of their own pocket (a cyclist friend of mine got hit by a car & had medical issues & went through everything with us). The UK has the NHS which is funded through general taxation & other European countries have similar socialised medicine, but certainly not all of them.
That’s only true if you subscribe to the more western focus on individuality & one could possibly say, selfishness/greed.
And working for the greater good, though people, especially “westerners” are possibly too selfish & self-absorbed for that.
That’s still very similar to what Blizz did & most/many companies can still be forced to ultimately give up user physical addresses for harassment letters to be sent (eg, the UK’s TV licensing, if they think you’re watching broadcast tv without a license).
Fair.
Is it really? I’d never have thought…
Hello again. As previously stated we are listening to feedback regarding the in-game moderation and do have some changes in the works for it however the conversation keeps veering off course. While we do not mind people having those conversations, this is not the thread to do that in.
We ask to please keep the conversation on topic: feedback regarding the in-game moderation and changes you would like to see.
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when i read this i immediately though of Kevin Bl%%%dy Wilson “Hey Santa Clause you #### where is my f$#%$#@g bike …” 
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Ooop! You guys got yelled at! 
(why isn’t there a naughty emoji?)
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