I’ve built them out via the planner, it’s possible purely from an experimental stance but the overall damage would be hard to push hard into end-game as you are shooting yourself in the foot a bit.
In fact, I agree and understand a lot about Faolchu. I would like the same thing in other classes, there was an opportunity to cooperate more with adjacent classes.
Yeah, I mean transforming you are already hindering your skill bar significantly and can only rely on taking additional skills that you can use passively while transformed (I believe is just vines via roar and auto-cast thorns) so further limiting it just because of a master skill seems an additional unnecessary limitation.
Yeah, I’d like to do bug as beastmaster for Aspect of the Viper & Shark, would be awesome poison.
I was thinking about that too I already have a serpent spear user which is fairly good not sure how high I can push him yet but it’s a different build that focuses on a giant poison scorpion too lol. This game has some fun builds but I’d like to cross play sub-classes a bit more.
Entangling roots is the new druid only skill, werebear will be available to the other classes. It says so in the entangling roots rework news announcement
No, it’s just another skill in the “Mastery-locked section” from the Druid.
Therefore, this’ is not the case either.
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Werebear Form is still the Druid mastery skill and is therefore Druid exclusive. The other skills exclusive to Druid are Swarmblade Form and Entangling Roots. The non-exclusive Druid skills are Spriggan Form and Summon Spriggan.
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Let me ask you a question.
I understand correctly that since you made certain skills available to other classes (for example, Sprigan form, and so on in other classes), then you are doing this in order to make them useful for other classes?
I just wanted to correct this - depending on what you’re trying to make, the new revamped skill trees allow you to have a much better chance of implementing your skills while staying transformed.
If you want Beastmaster, you only have Spriggan Form, you can use something like Summon Scorpion + Spriggan Form + Eterra’s Blessing + Vines to stack up as much Poison as you can.
For Wearbear, you’d have to stay Druid, but you can use Fury Leap, War Cry, & Maelstrom with the new tree, so you can go Double Bear with the War Cry’s Berserk Node. You can even do some shenanigans like Fury Leap + Maul to activate Wild Command (increased minion damage for 8 seconds), and then Roar to activate Swarmblade form and use Locust Swarm that scales on minion damage.
There will be much more opportunities to mix your skills around with the new Druid forms than before the 0.8.4 update. I’m really excited to see what options we can think up.
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This is not always the case. There are a lot of different factors that go into the decision making of whether a skill is exclusive to a mastery class or not. For example, werebear form would be a useful skill for melee beastmaster builds, but it’s druid specific in part to make melee druid builds more distinct from melee beastmaster builds.
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I wish other classes could use similar synergies of skills from neighboring classes.
All this looks very interesting.
Aw thats a little disappointing it’s still a forced hindrance. Why not leave it up to the player how thin they want to spread their points rather than forced limitations? The unique passive from mastery and half bar panel limitations to other two classes already provide a guided direction itself.
Archetype retention.
[I think “Archetypenbeibehaltung” looks nicer…]
Are you suggesting to remove all Mastery granted skills? Werebear, Forge Strike, Storm Totem etc.
Not so much remove, but put them as 1st tier skills within the arch type, not locked out. If a shaman wants a pet raptor more power to them etc. You just have to make the choice whether you want to build deep into that sub-arch type tree (or at least the 1st half of it) to make those skills make the most out of their main purpose spec. etc. If the worry is you can take a 1st tier skill and only the first half of the passive panel to make it OP without investing into the 2nd half of the panel, the panel likely needs a balance review.
The only thing I would like to see is a Werewolf form in Beastmaster. The tree, in my imagining, would focus on being the Alpha to the pack (maybe buffs depending on number of summoned wolves?) and lots of bleed support. To tie it to the Beastmaster, its functions should be tied to your companions.
Well that’s why I was hoping for the werebear to be unlocked to use as a beastmaster, I would imagine once they get around to releasing skill skins werewolf would be the first variation they release for the bear - I am aiming for the long game lol.
But that would be removing them as mastery skills and giving them to all builds, as SirFreckle said (though he may not have been clear).
Then yes I would suggest removing mastery skills its just a forced needlessly limiting function to fun build experimentation. You already have mastery passives and limitation of only half investments allowed on sub-arch types limiting the full potential you can actually make of the skills themselves.
Though I would argue all skills should be able to be unlocked at most at the halfway investment panel and leave it to the player if they want to go that deep and spread their build that thin fully acknowledging they will not be able to see that trees full potential as it’s only a sub-archtype, placing more skill gates is just limiting fun build experimentation.
That’s also assuming mastery skills are equal in strength. I’d argue in the case of primalist base werebear is significantly stronger than a base raptor or storm totem.
If the argument is werebear is too strong and then all three archetypes would just go bear regardless of primary archetype then the other currently tagged mastery skills should be reviewed for balance and brought up to par (I know prelease game etc.)
Again, that’s not really my point, it’s just a needlessly added extra limitation to build experimentation in the longevity of the game to issue outright at the start. Do note, this statement isn’t exclusive to just primalists but all classes, I was hoping before release mastery skills would actually be unlocked with and current limitation is just to semi-force people to fully explore the current split arch types while balancing goes on etc.