Oh and now we are entering Godwin’s Law terretory pretty fast. I don’t know who you think you are but I think everyones feedback is rather important. I worked with a lot of people who had a realy low IQ and most of them were incredible and you’ll not find them here.
On top of it diregarding a whole group of people because of whatever is completely useless and tells me more about you and your values then I ever wanted to know.
This is just not true. This is a horrible take. This is like saying the customer is always right lol. There are dumb customers that are wrong and have terrible takes. A business needs to tell them they don’t want their business because they are bad customers. That’s how you create a successful business for good customers.
You can say you want to hear everyone’s feedback but you must filter out the ignorant bad self absorbed low IQ takes. I’m not sure how this doesn’t make sense. If a 1,000 people give you feed back you are going to hear a lot of bad ideas that must be ignored.
Identifying is important part of ignoring. Not all feedback is good feedback.
Ignoring narcissistic sociopaths is a group I’m okay with ignoring. Especially when that group destroys everything for everyone else. They rather see the world burn when their bad ideas aren’t heard. Just gotta filter that noise out or everyone loses.
Yeah, they can absolutely be incredible! Personality-wise.
But you gotta admit that someone which has low IQ is also extremely prone to not make thought-through decisions.
Kinda comes with the territory of lacking the ability to process things in depth and speed necessary to make them.
Doesn’t mean with higher IQ you inherently make better decisions, absolutely not… but you have the capacity for it to happen outside of sheer happenstance.
The basics are that you want to give people tasks based on merit, and get returns also based on merit rather then anything else. And hence you wouldn’t make a one-armed person do any intense dexterity-based work… they simply won’t be able to do it. Or a one-legged person carrying stuff up and down stairs. Or makign a ADHD person do mundane repetitive tasks for 8 hours… and so on.
Decision-making of complex topic is a mental task. If your mental capacity is low then you’re kinda not the right person for the task.
And still most stupid people I met that said or did stupid things never been in this spectrum and still behaved like stupid pricks. Most low IQ people I knew had easy problems and easy solutions and didn’t interact outside of their circle. Still there are some streamers who finished to download Forza and who are pretty public but that’s the minority.
On top of it having a low IQ isn’t saying anything about EQ what is more important when it comes how you behave or react to stuff. I’m pretty sure, from my experience, that most people who have a low IQ never bother with this forum and simply play the games they like.
Then look at the smart people… let’s take Elon Musk who obviously let other people play their PoE2 account and who talks complete and utter crap about the items he has and plays like a donky.
Beeing smart isn’t always helping and having a low IQ isn’t as bad as people want to make it up. Sure it’s different but then again it’s not the topic here and only came up because someone want to remove a spectrum of people because he said so and that is not acceptable. What’s next? No PoC? No Trans people? This dude is a disgrace.
Yes, EQ is about interpersonal interaction, which is why I said they can have great personalities.
But the topic here is basically ‘the ability to decide on things’ specifically in relation to feedback, and hence mechanical aspects.
That’s not EQ based and hence not the argument.
And here ABomb is absolutely right… EHG needs to ensure to put no weight on their decision-making on those people as it wouldn’t cause a long-term viable outcome. Often not even short-term.
Umh… very high IQ but sadly not a neurotypical person. Not saying it directly here but if you’ve read my posts about ‘what the prominent mental neurodivergence for CEO’s is’ in some other topics you’ll find out specifically which ‘flavor’ of neurodivergent he is 
And one related to being overly self-conscious related to social perception on top.
A really bad example hence, we wanna speak about neurotypical behavior in this case, hence socially acceptable and not purely driven by personal gain without conscience or to look like a great person without personal merit.
Once more, it’s purely about the capacity of decision making based on mechanics.
You’re right with the first part here. Obviously. IQ only goves you the capacity for it after all, which is the basis to start off with. Not the knowledge to make use of it.
But if you lack the capacity at all then you cannot even have a proper starting line now… can you?
Let’s keep conversations to Last Epoch please.
The forum regulars are just having a nice chat)
Over the past few days that I’ve been on the forum, I’ve been seeing more and more intelligent discussions. It’s a pleasure to read; there’s something to take note of.
So thou never relly liked Last Epoch. If thou would love it, thou would at least wait for season 4.
That’s very dismissive.
A person which has supported heavily and is disappointed by the actions which are pronounced (and hence we trust to happen as we have nothing else to base it off on… would be nonsense otherwise) to be taken is the most based and realistic take you’ll ever get from a customer.
The reality is ‘something went awfully wrong’ and that’s simply the reaction, them moving to another game since it’s too grating to support further.
Saying ‘they never really liked LE’ is absolutely bonkers plainly spoken.
You can love something and then a thing happens which makes it for you impossible to keep that up. You loved it… but even if you love something then there’s limits to that, and those are different for everyone.
For some Season 4 will be the breaking point. For some it’ll be the time the expansion comes… and for some the mis-steps in terms of communication and from 1.0 (or even earlier) to now have already broken any leftover ability to trust in a positive outcome.
And tell you what… neither is wrong either.
So the problem is that people aren evil and spoiled. They don’t want to wait for anything, even season 4, they wanten everything at once, and they taken any problems with hostility. Of course, AAA studios are largely to blame; the gaming industry is in decline.
People have been patient beyond end by now.
And got provided with a 7 weeks long announced roadmap that is the most - and sorry to say it this openly, but it’s the mild version - atrocious shitstain of a insult that any company has ever brought out.
There’s simply a point when immediate action of any kind is a necessity. And that’s been passed since weeks by now. You know… ‘we know this will not sit well… better have a plan to get some brownie points’ would be kinda a good choice, don’t you think?
But sadly there was nothing prepared to get a bit of goodwill points, instead some more were burned.
Gladly so! Not the decline, but what AAA companies caused for consumer behavior.
People are simply sick of not getting what they pay for, one reason or another.
So instead of lenience now it’s cold hard asks instead. Not hard to understand when you’ve been burned time and time again.
agreed. BUT. if we’re playing that game, then whos to say your feedback is not good feedback?
imho, just leave your feedback and give proper justifications on why you think your pov is legit/matters. let the devs decide if its important or not. theres no reason to antagonize others for having a different pov than you do.
i’ve been on POE forums “forever”. i’ve seen people defending GGG’s decision on keeping trade difficult and allowing scammers to go off with zero consequence and in fact seeing forummers victim blame saying people should be more responsible with their trades. they white knight ggg as if ggg can do no wrong.
even myself. i used to be one of the people who were against the idea of making an SSF game mode. looking back, i cant understand why i was so against it. it didnt cost GGG much to implement an SSF mode and SSF is also now a “d-like industry standard”.
in POE, one big “issue” was in game clock. when it was first proposed. many forummers shat on the proposer saying its stupid. “how hard is it to look up from the screen to look at the clock”. nowadays i m so used to in game clocks i find that games that lack this feature as incomplete. immersion breaking? yes. but QoL? definitely.
many people have differing opinions. some might be better than others. but please dont make it seem like yours are automatically better than others. your feedback definitely matters. so does others. we dont decide whats better for the game. we just provide our 2 cents and let the devs decide.
Frankly this gaming community attacks the devs so much which will always result in lawyer talk where they dont make any promises and say stuff like " At this stage … however that may change is the future…" and then eventually stop communicating with the community because the loudest ones are usually the more toxic ones
i think EHG needs to stop making promises, they need money and people havent bought the cosmetics as much as they would have liked.
In the end its about money and they are a buisness, if we dont support them enough they will have to do what they need to keep the company alive
They brought this mess upon themselves by not producing the things we were supposed to purchase to support them.
If there aren’t any MTX to buy, what then?
“Support us by buying MTX, but we won’t provide any that are worth the kind of price we ask”?
At this point, fire their CFO and bring in a fifth-grader and see if they can’t figure that one out.
By the way, Diablo 4 revealed the paid class and expansion and everyone seems okay with this, not to mention that they haven the store. But to Last Epoch is not allowed to do this. lol.
Yeah blizzard is a soulless mega corp and everyone knows it, the mobile diablo that was p2w as shit also had tons of players.
Because blizzard is so big and so evil, they can get in trouble for workplace wrong doings and everyone just… forgets.
So yeah, I guess if our goal is to be blizzard, we got there LOL
I mean… you can absolutely compete with D4 and hence Blizzard on their own playing field. Which is mass acquisition of casual players which don’t think about what they consume at all.
There’s a limited amount of those people available though. Think LE can compete with D4 when it comes down to it? 
Sure because Blizzard never promised stuff. People didn’t belive in Blizzard. People already thought “D4 will be good in 1-3 expensions” in Beta. People knew they get overpriced crap because it’s Blizzard.
Then there was the new hope of H&S players, a new dev team took of. Players who wanted to create a game for players, to produce a game only payed for once, ending the greed of big companies, the new arbiters of cummiunication who value player feedback and interaction… well it turned out to be a shitshow and people are mad because they thought EHG can be trusted and they finaly get something awesome for once. Now We got Krafton and the EHG from the past isn’t recongizeable anymore.
as much as i prefer it if companies kept their words to their kickstarter backers, in EHG’s case, the company that everyone supported back during the kickstarter campaign has essentially ceased to exist. and with it, all the old promises.
theres a lot i can mention how LE will face difficulties trying to compete with D4, POE or even TLI. but all sum it up by saying LE needs to really narrow down and be its own thing. but currently its too similar to POE so thats a difficult ask.