Disappointed with the community

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For all the negative feedback, its like they want Last Epoch to fail, like this click-bait video.

Even Wudijo is turning negative, which is surprising, but honestly, I don’t follow him much anymore after Diablo III, which he was well respected for (before streaming was a thing).

PoE2 is basically charging for their beta testing and no one says a negative word… I know people are frustrated about Last Epoch and their struggles, but how about letting things play out before we condemn them?

Just saying…

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If you wanted me to say negative things about PoE, all you had to do was ask.

LE is my favorite ARPG. EHG did so much right in the development in this game, it was such a great experience from beta to today. I can’t say I’ve enjoyed a particular gaming company as much as EHG. They listen and talk with the community. They didn’t hold onto initial ideas and just ride a vision into the sunset, they were dynamic in development to get to where it is today. And honestly I think a lot of people’s complaints are just… things they’ll never be happy about. Or people are just impatient. EHG isn’t perfect, they didn’t just make the perfect game. It kept growing and changing. And they didn’t even charge you full price!

I’m going to keep playing the game for so long as servers exist because it doesn’t seem like any of the other big names in the genre are making a better game for me. And if that doesn’t fit with you, that’s fine. You don’t have to announce to the world you think the game sucks and will be playing something else. Just go find what’s fun to you.

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Seemingly you haven’t even watched the video then?

Because the statement is ‘I’m a voice against the major negativity’, which is his personal opinion, and the video setup is also well designed up until that point (which happens at around 2:30).

Also the statement is ‘I’m not saying people shouldn’t be mad’, which is a viable take, because yes… that’s the normal reaction here. They said ‘one time purchase’ and now it’s not that. Simple as that.

He’s also stating that people are outraged at the game getting paid DLC before being finished. Which yes… is also a very reasonable statement and more then understandable.

He also states he hasn’t been able to get into it very much, just not his style of game, but the foundations being solid. Which yes… is why people stayed after all despite all the shortcomings. That and the ‘player first’ direction.

He solely thinks that in the current situation the overall outcome is that EHG is ‘screwed’ plainly spoken. And yes, that’s a reasonable position to take with not only the things EHG presented but also in how they did it.

He also states that the sale to Krafton was a sale of community goodwill, which… yes, it absolutely is after all! And now to allow the goodwill to return and become even stronger, to be proven wrong with the worries EHG needs to provide vastly more then they’ve provided till now. And yes… that’s also a reasonable take. Same thing as how it happened with GGG selling to Tencent. But for EHG? They didn’t provide positives, for now it’s all negatives.

Then a list of all the stuff he likes in the game even comes, how much more positive do you expect this video to become?

The statement is extremely realistic and based… did you expect him to say ‘this will be great!’? Nothing points to it, quite the opposite for now. He would be one absolute moron to try that and get ripped a new one for it on top of it… besides it being extremely unlikely to happen. So a double-loss then.

Then for the second video:

The first thing which stated from his personal position was halfway through the video, and it’s the sentence: ‘I personally also don’t like that this is happening’ and it relates to the class being a paid DLC.

So until half-way, not a single negative word, just consolidation of information, it’s ‘news’ and nothing else.

The next thing is that he doesn’t really trust how the stuff will go with the history of EHG in mind, hence how well it will be made since the former releases didn’t turn out well. Either late or unpredictable in general after all. And that part ends with a hopeful sentence that against odds it might turn out well. More then based.

Because GGG stated that it’s first off: Only during their EA stage, and then it’s F2P. So it’s from a ‘bad’ position (not really) to a ‘good’ position. Which is the opposite of EHG which went from free to paid.

Then also because GGG didn’t make any switcheroo. The only one was that it’ll not be a rework of PoE 1 but instead a full-scale game instead, which is a improvement, especially since paid content is to be shared between both games, which is nigh unseen actually.

So obviously nobody speaks out, because GGG did right and EHG did wrong, simple as that. The difference should be more then clear.

People waited for MG to ‘play out’ and nothing major came. People waited for Uberroth to play out and it wasn’t adjusted. People waited for their release timings to be handled and it never happened properly.

See the pattern?
Trust is earned, not given.

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Oh they totally did!! Do you not remember the initial announcement about #2 being a different campaign that would flow into the same endgame? How’s that working out I wonder? Is GGG being pilloried for the change to an entirely different game? Have you been bashing GGG for failing to live up to their promises?

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Yep, which I stated was scrapped because it would’ve interfered too much with the game to change so much.
Hence instead of making it ‘simply a new campaign’ and some changes along the way… they decided to make it a full-scale game with full-scale mechanics that feel different from the first while still providing the full amount of payments people made.

That’s a buff… not a nerf :stuck_out_tongue:

The only thing which sucks for that is that the stash - obviously - is not available, so gathered gear is not in the second one from the first one… but that only affects Standard players like me in the first place (which is the miniscule amount of players comprably) and doesn’t screw over everyone who wouldn’t like the changes in the first place.

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That particular broken promise won’t cost me anything.
It’s a separate game, yes. However, all the MTX I bought in PoE 1 will still work in PoE 2.
My purchased tabs are still there.
So those two things are not the same at all, and you know it.

EHG made a promise, based on a planned MTX-driven business model.
They then failed to produce said MTX on an even remotely sustainable level.
Surprise! That doesn’t generate money, and now they have Krafton breathing down their necks and thus we are supposed to pay for content.

It’s their failure, not ours.

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As a long-time member of this community, I have done my best to support Last Epoch and have recommended it since the beginning. However, the recent lack of communication regarding financial struggles—combined with the sudden sell-out to Krafton has caused me to lose faith. I have started playing PoE/PoE 2 instead, and I am really enjoying the experience.

So what else should I do? Be a Pollyanna, defend the game and ignore reality?

— A disappointed community member

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Pffffft, then they are clearly incompetent & didn’t work hard enough or well enough to make it work. That’s what you’d say about it if it were EHG rather than GGG, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

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What’s with you today? Do you have some days where your brain shuts off and you don’t think about your answers at all?

Here, just to showcase it:

And especially:

So what the fuck are you on today? Whatever it is… stop taking it.

You’re now arguing that it’s incompetence when a company provides more then offered? Something not becoming you all too well?

I know you love cherry-picking for specific points a lot… but usually you’re not ignoring the overall direction of a post to utterly rip it out of context and then try to turn it 180° against the very clear-cut meaning provided?

So respectfully: Fuck off today with that shit. If you’re looking for that level of discussion then look for someone else.

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In POE2, you either get it for free (after reaching a certain amount of MTX purchases in POE1) or you buy access to it, receiving a starter pack in the form of stash tabs — which you’ll buy anyway if you want to be able to trade (since, to my knowledge, there’s no way to trade without this purchase) if you start playing this project. The same applies to the first game.

I believe the issue here is that, one way or another, both games have their own price. In POE, you have to pay around $20 to access all of the game’s features, while in LE, you have to buy it on Steam for $20 to be able to play. Ultimately, you could say that both games are paid, but there’s one thing GGG has never done — release paid content.

Regarding “letting the game develop” — LE is set to release on PS5, and possibly on Xbox and mobile devices in the future. This is, of course, part of development, but it also means sales, profit, and an increase in the number of players in the leagues. Additionally, there are other ways to develop — the kind of monetization that has always been acceptable to us: MTX. However, the LE developer somehow decided to make them look terrible, as if the character isn’t even wearing a skin, and for some reason, they expect this to sell.

Taking all these factors into account, along with the fact that the game has just been released and currently has very little content — just two monster-filled “holes” and one uber boss — my opinion is that paid expansions are inappropriate here.

And just for the record, I haven’t been playing POE for long, but I don’t think I’ve spent more money on any other game. I’ve definitely spent about $200 on the MTX and the in-game tabs. In Dota 2, for example, which I’ve been playing since 2014, I don’t have that many cosmetic items. The point here is simply that I liked the look of these MTX and I really like the game, so that’s why I bought it.

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No, sometimes I just see something so bonkers insane/unfair/unreasonable/wrong my brain enables argumentative arsehole stance & that has a cooldown of several hours to prevent stance dancing.

Except it’s not because you would have originally been able to mix & match campaigns (old/new) & characters (old/new) & not being able to is most definitely a nerf & a promise being broken, which I’d expect you to pillory GGG for.

They aren’t though.

Even if that “clear cut meaning” is factually wrong? Ok!

PoE is pay for convenience, you don’t have to buy stash tabs but your experience will be worse/less convenient for it.

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You mean ‘old’ would be gone and ‘new’ would be the state. Because all sockets would be gone for example.
To have the melee fix you would also need the PoE 2 ‘slow-paced’ combat which breaks apart after the campaign already there.

So basically the zoom-style play of PoE 1 would be gone.

It’s not ‘mix&match’ it’s exchanging one thing for something entirely new, which was to be avoided after they found out it would ultimately be the case… which then they took the plainly spoken optimal route of making it a follow-up game (as would be commonly done formerly for a reason with such hefty changes) while sustaining all the monetary value for players.

As stated, the only downside which wouldn’t provide a sacrifice is the sharing of loot between the games initially. But that’s a given as the functionality of gear is not the same between them as to enable the scaling working during progression with the premise of the slots not being unlocked in the same pace they had to provide alternative methods - the + skill on gear in ample amounts - to make up for it.

Ehhh… I know what you mean, but by now it’s so severe that you really cannot handle it without at least a map tab, div tab and fragment tab for scarabs nowadays. It was already a mess when maps and div cards were there… but with the scarabs now it’s gone from careful management to nearly impossible in F2P. It’s just so severe now.

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People should realy remember what Cavill said about Witcher fans. Mad people aren’t indifferent about something. They care and there is a problem of some sort driving them mad. Worst case is the great song of indifference when people leave in mass without saying anything because they don’t give a rats ass about what is beeing offered.

Customers aren’t forced to write an Essay in a politicl correct manner because their oppinon ord choice of words could hurt the feelings of someone who is payed for what they do. Noone forced EHG to make a game. Noone forced EHG to make bad descissions. No forced EHG to make the game progressivly worse since 0.8. Noone forced EHG into the corner of bankruptcy because they made terrible choices. Noone forced them to sell to Krafton of all the bad choices they could’ve made.

As long as people are happy or pissed and voice what is on their minds you CAN work with this if you want to. I think noone, not even me, on this board is so indifferent when it comes to LE that they wont even piss on the company if it burns.

There is no reason to be dissapointed there is a reason to stop sitting on your hands and wait untill the ship is sunk.

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POE/POE2 has the most toxic fans in arpg by a landslide. They will mark you for death of you over critise the game.

so when people criicise it, they must started with, “I like the game” first…then they can reserving criticise the game.

I never got banned in Reddit in my many years, first and only time was POE2 subreddit, where the moderator reason for my ban was, I was negative to the game last 3 posts…and I “attacked” the dev. By that, he/she meant I gave an opinion that the Poe2 devs did not listened to critics and get their high from the people who praise them.

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It splits the playerbase (as can clearly be seen happening). Which can end up with your friends playing one game and you playing another with no way to interact. Which is something they said wouldn’t happen. They would have a different campaign, but then you could all play together to your heart’s content.

I agree that other than that everything is an improvement, but it does have drawbacks that go against what they stated.

That’s not what they said initially, though. You could have a PoE1 character playing alongside a PoE2 character once they finished campaign. Endgame was shared. That means that items still had to drop with sockets.
Maybe they’d switch to instanced drops so each gets the drops relevant to their game, maybe they’d have some other solution, but the promise was being able to play together.

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I was in spaces you get banned for wirting dafuq or damn. Every unofficial cesspool for games should be not supported by developers. Reddit is cancer and devs actively going there instead of their own board are simply lost beyond reason.

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LE lost its sort of indy status. Its now part of the Krafton lineup and we know what this means. It means $$$ over all else. LE is now just like D4 and POE 2. Its not the underdog or feel good story anymore. Its lost its edge and feel. Its now just a money printer for Krafton and they need money to pay 90m for EHG and the 250m they are going to lose in court to Subnautica 2 devs as the CEO admitted in court to using ChatGPT to rip them off.

Why dont my supporter packs show?

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Disappointed with the community? EHG have been the biggest disappoint of 2025.

They have gone from riding high, delivering a great patch with 1.2, and being open with communication, to being deathly silent aside from trying to figure out the best way they can announce pay to win.

Communication has gone down the shitter, Mike’s answers I his streams are always just “I can’t talk about that right now.”

It took 7 weeks to get a roadmap with no information in it.

It took far longer than 7 weeks to confirm the expansion won’t be paid content, all the while fire’s were raging, by the time an official announcement is made, everything had already burned to the ground and peop,e don’t care anymore.

EHG need to be faster to react to things, and just be open and honest.

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No, that’s not what they originally promised:

Yes, they’ve had 12-13 years of adding new fragments & currency & stuff 4 times a year.

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Actually they did.
They intended with the PoE 2 campaign to have a rework of ‘old problematic systems’.

To be specific the 2 areas they were working on specifically are item sockets and melee combat. Which after realizing what was needed for melee to be ‘fixed’ was decided to make it a completely different product in itself.

And well, that makes it impossible to provide that. Wouldn’t have been PoE 2 then as a new campaign… but would’ve simply demolished PoE 1. And people were seriously worried about that actually.

Now it’s instead 2 games, 2 separate campaigns… but all characters of PoE 1 in PoE 2 at least, since it’s the successor. Different endgame and the mechanics you see in PoE 2? That would’ve been PoE 1.