Thanks for telling me something I didn’t know that I wanted to know. Is there much else I missed (played the closed beta for a bit, didn’t get much out of the initial area)?
My memory is a tad fuzzy. I did feel disappointed by hell tides, it felt like you had to be there the whole duration in order for the cinders you collect to be worth anything. I didn’t get around to experimenting with nightmare sigils. Also, my biggest disappointment with hell tides was no one fought the bosses that spawn in them. I tried fighting one of my own, only to die 15 minutes later, having wasted all that time and no less than 5 people ran straight past me. I was sadge. I was hoping for a gw2 experience where people helped each other out.
There’s also 2 classes of essence: learned and extracted, learned aren’t as strong as extracted. I.e. if you get a legendary that you also learned, the magnitude of the power tends to be higher on the legendary that dropped. The learned powers are more bad luck protection and your build is stronger using legendaries that drop for you. I found it a tad annoying because I didn’t feel like I had full control over my build. Respecs get more expensive over time but talent and legendary interactions are a thing.
Also my build was a tad disjointed. I liked werebear and storm skills, but they didn’t have a good synergy with each other. There was stronger synergy between werebear/earch and werewolf/storm (or at least legendary and/or talent interactions that were stronger). I found ways to still make it work, but I was janky, but still having fun.
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Yeah, that was awesome, maybe it’ll happen when normal people start playing rather than hardcore gamers focussed on zooming to the end (probably not, but one can dream).
Thanks for your thoughts. 
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A lot of people do not play early-access games. In fact people who play early-access games are minority. Many people hard-pass early access games, & wait for the release.
Ironic thing is the vast majority of games are indeed early access, even ones that have officially been released. Sad state of gaming.
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I had missed this quote. Reading that makes me sad. 
More and more and more endgame, without proper begingame or middlegame before it (campaign + normal monos together is probably the shortest, for sure the easiest, midgame of any arpg I know).
Oh well, on the bright side, to link with the subject of the thread, I won’t have any problem playing both Diablo 4 and Last Epoch, because I will be done with a LE season in less than one weekend.
And of course, even if it is bad news I don’t want to shoot the messenger: huge thanks to Andrew, as always, for keeping those of us who don’t watch streams posted!
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Just reacting on that, we just came out of a weekend by invitation, only for streamers (well, nearly).
Sounds like pretty massive PR to me (which is a good thing, I am not criticising). It was thinely disguised as a “test”, but it was obviously pure marketing.
Anyway, just a tiny detail, I agree with everything else you said.
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I never said they didn’t do any PR, I just said “massive” PR.
While I agree that most previous patches had some PR around them. None of it was really big IMO.
Once we get closer to 1.0 or have a release date for 1.0 the kind of PR will shift gears I think.
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I work in the applied data science field and we have this concept that explain the LE situation, the arpg industry is extremely small in the west, so when the industry is small and the saturation point isn’t even close, the optimal strategy is usually to grow the industry instead of trying to kill your competitors. Put in more gamer terms, the arpg player base is small, D4 will bring a huge amount of new players into the arpg gaming community, some of the new players will fall in love with the genre and can end up trying out LE.
It would be a total different story if the amount of arpg players in the market can’t grow anymore and LE was competing for a pretty stable amount of a users in the market. The gaming industry still growing and is pretty much an infant at this point.
So D4 is good news for LE.
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Well said. The only way I see D4 hurting LE is if the devs decide to push 1.0 to coincide with D4’s launch. That could end pretty poorly.
That’s not going to happen.
Oh for sure, I was just speaking in hypotheticals. LE is going to do well, the devs are listening and I am very confident about how LE will perform at launch.
Since its physically impossible to play two games at the same time, it will possibly mean the end of LE, sadly ):
Umm, sarcasm?
I have 3500 hours in POE and the league is done for me so now iam REALLY glad i can play Last Epoch. For a very very long time i was searching what to do after i was done with POE leagues. I already played Grim Dawn and such and since they dont have leagues i was done in the end.
Long story short i hop on and of those titles. In the end they feel different in many ways which keeps it fresh enough to keep playing them.
D4 is such a different game with the open world the systems etc. So yes its hack and slash and has similarties to some degree ofcourse.
At the other hand LE will have its own unique aspects, like being able to adjust your uniques and how the passives works and how the gameplay feels + feedback from taking hits and different uniques (so different experience).
Iam only happy to have more options now. Beside that it might push bigger companies like GGG etc to make even better products.
I really dont get the are you guys scared. I couldnt be more happy that i have more options now 
Last Epoch has enough different things for me to come back to it.
The same goes for Path of exile and i hope the same will be for D4.
This is a bit of a myth in my opinion. I have two kids, one of 4 years old and one of 2 years old and i still manage to game a lot of evenings in the week.
Sometimes i just watch tv with my wife and the kids are in bed at half past 7. Than when my wife goes to bed i game 1/2 hours.
Other evenings i just watch a serie for half an hour with my wife and game the rest of the evening till maybe 11 o clock and iam of to bed. Which is game time from 8 o clock in the evening till 11 o clock.
Its just what your priorities are i guess. I love gaming to much so iam not the perfect example maybe.
Beside my kids i play football. I train once a week and sometimes i play a match once a weekend. Anyways i still have friends and a life and kids. And i still have time to play games because i love it. I get your concerns around competition despite i look differnt on it.
I hard disagree that most people dont have time. I rather think some people rather do something else. But thats my 2 cents.
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Because it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter anymore than talking about Burger King’s burgers while eating at McDonald’s… ie, it doesn’t change a thing. Will talking about D4 beta on this forum somehow persuade people to not play D4? Will it magically conjure up more interest in LE?
I don’t get why you think it matters, at all, other than so you can soapbox on about your opinion of either/both games? Maybe go start a topic, just like this one, if you feel that existence itself, depends upon everyone having this epic discussion.
Also, LE is not in competition with D4. It’s not even a discussion, to be honest. The Diablo franchise already has its following, and it’s a huge following, grown over 3 decades of people playing the titles of the franchise. LE isn’t going to change that. People playing it, are playing because they like the Diablo franchise. Some aren’t going to play it because of Blizzard. And the rest are people who were going to try both anyhow, and wind up playing the one they like better, more often.
I guess I’m a freak of nature, since I’ve played Diablo 1, 2 and 3. Grim Dawn. Last Epoch. Path of Exile. Loki. Sacred 1 and 2. Dungeon Siege 1 and 2. Torchlight 1 and 2. Along with numerous MMORPGs like Everquest, WoW, LoTRO, Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, Rift, DAoC, Shadowbane, etc. I wish someone would have told me I was required to pick only 1, and stick with it until the day I died.
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You have a lot of arms.
Are you Lagon?
I guess I’m a freak of nature, since I’ve played Diablo 1, 2 and 3. Grim Dawn. Last Epoch. Path of Exile. Loki. Sacred 1 and 2. Dungeon Siege 1 and 2. Torchlight 1 and 2. Along with numerous MMORPGs like Everquest, WoW, LoTRO, Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, Rift, DAoC, Shadowbane, etc. I wish someone would have told me I was required to pick only 1, and stick with it until the day I died.
Not a freak. I’ve literally played all of those as well, sans DAoC, but you even missed Titan Quest and Wolcen. But I think this is a dead horse thread by now, as everyone except the OP is on the same page.
Played those as well. Fingers got tired and they got left out.
I´m tired of this Diablo shit. I´m also tired of this shit company called Blizzard, that does one thing and one thing only. Which is to Suck you dry. All of you.
But by all means, give your money to the one you deserve it the best.
And then you can think about what Blizzard have actually given you the last decade, compared to what you truly deserved.
Anyone actually remember what Blizzard gave you on their 30th Anniversary?!? Compared to what you the player had actually deserved??!!?
And still, you, the player, give them their money. Geez!!?!
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