It has, you can’t access the game without having linked your steam account.
Given steam accounts are free, yes. You’d just probably need separate email accounts for each steam account, but they are also free, so…
Just a small sidenote: you can change your MAC address at any time you want. You don’t even need a hack, just use Windows device manager.
RMTers use stolen credit cards and other illicit monetary means and they simply buy new accounts. As long as they get more money from the transaction than they do from the account cost, it’s worth it.
Considering this happens in every single game that has trade in it, whether it has an upfront cost or not, we can safely assume that it’s worth it for them to do so.
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I’m for UUID bans for RMT and botting.
You RMT? No problem, your GPU is forever locked from this game! Lets see you making a new account, go ahead and buy it, oh? Well, that one’s banned too now!
That’s how it should be handled nowadays, also screws over scalpers since nobody will buy a used GPU without checking first if it’s one from a darn bot-farm.
Yes, multiple Steam accounts. Those accounts usually are throwaway accounts or at times even hacked accounts abused for their services.
I’d be more in belief of that statement if this was say Diablo II or a title where the entry isn’t over $40.
You all do realize that you can buy Gold and not be banned right? Doing it through their MG auction house?
I’d start there if they want to get some sneaky bans off. Everything else is easily traceable and this factual evidence has been this way with Last Epoch for a long time now. Has nothing to do with stolen credit cards rofl or the like. Short of if someone gets social engineered through something like a link, email or some other stupid thing.
Feel free to show me some receipts or try to prove the MG Gold Purchase method as being Bannable (which it isn’t).
I get that, but both the responses are just conjecture. Sure, I see folks making steam accounts but paying Premium for a game where you can easily choose a cheaper option and sell for more money for your time? Especially where anything outside of MG Gold RM Transfers will get you flagged anyway. It’s been discussed.
Everything stated by both of you we could say for a title in the past like Diablo II:R, Diablo II:LoD. Sure, it’s just for your time invested I don’t see LEs only uncontrolled method being a win/win.
$30 Cad used to get you 2B Gold, it now gives you more than 3.4B Gold. I expect that to continue. You seen what you could make in even WoW by just running even a single Booster? Way more and no risk.
Just doesn’t feel like LE is the sweet spot. ESPECIALLY since they actually started enforcing RMAH style transactions. I guess we will see how the company handles it because a lot of players are also not going to be doing seasons, myself included.
You can also checkout how popular the sales are through any of the main half-dozen sites most folks use and see how popular the sales are. Since the Banning has started you compare to another similar title that doesn’t and it’s big. I haven’t looked into if folks are using bots either, so there could be another avenue that is or isn’t policed similar to the Gold Selling.
First, LE costs less than 35, not 40. Second, D4 has RMT and it’s 70. So that doesn’t really have anything to do with it. As long as you make more than the game cost before getting banned, it’s still worth it.
That’s how RMT operates and when the devs detect such an operation, you do get banned.
There are lots of scams where people get credit card information. Those are usually used for more illicit stuff like other scams or RMT trading.
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LE is $40 here in Canada. Weird you couldn’t figure out folks aren’t all Statesmen.
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The Gold Buying through MG isn’t the same as getting the Items. Which flags you. I wonder how someone could know first hand though? Guess we won’t know without cluing in?
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Scams are scams my guy, they aren’t sure fire ways of income guaranteed and folks wise up after they get burned that first time. Substantially different than running a bot, or buying Gear Posted on MG using Cash on a site? The operation cost is different, substantially! See #2 for the way folks aren’t getting banned.
How does someone with MG 1 and CoF 10 have 3B+ Gold even at 260+ hours and 110+ Tabs? I’ll let that one sink in. They started good, but are missing a lot. Sorry my guy but you can glance at someone who is MG 1 and uses it for Gold Buying specifically super easy also. Which is why this should be brought to their attention.
Unreal. Edit: Sorry $44.99. Good lord.
1-I’m in Europe. Weird how you couldn’t fiture out folks aren’t all Canadians and Americans.
2- Gold buying works by placing a crappy item for sale for x gold (however much you’re buying). It doesn’t matter if it’s direct sale or not, the method is the same.
3- If scams (and RMT) weren’t profitable reliably, they wouldn’t exist since they wouldn’t be worth the risk. And yet they do exist and are rampant these days.
Even if you were to argue that there’s a workaround to being detected buying gold (which I doubt there is, just because EHG doesn’t announce bans doesn’t mean they don’t happen), all the bot accounts are constantly getting banned, so they’d still need to keep buying the game.
I’m pretty sure EHG is much more aware of RMT tactics than you are. It’s their game, they have access to all the data and probably know of dozens of different ways RMTers are using that you don’t know.
As I said, RMT is a profitable business. Account costs are just an overhead for them. They get more from free games like PoE, most likely, but game costs don’t really matter to them as can be seen by the fact that D4 also has RMT, like I mentioned before and you ignored, despite costing upwards of 70.
Yup, I know it’s the first question I’d ask if I were buying a used GPU - “So, has this GPU ever been used in a bot farm or banned from these [insert list here] games?” I’m sure nobody would ever lie about that.
No, how it should be handled is people not botting & the like. But that’s as likely as telling the truth that the GPU you’re buying from them was used in a bot farm.
Umm, saywhatnow?
Yes, it’s almost like you clarified the currency rather than using the generic symbol most commonly attributed to your larger southern cousin.
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That is a moot comment, why retort when you were dumb enough to state the game isn’t $40 somewhere on the Globe let alone Canada? ROFL!
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Gold Buying works buy placing an order on a site, then the guy will ask you to list any item. BUT you need to be MG 1 to do so. You can place any item and list it at a specific Value and they will find that value and buy it.
This hasn’t changed since the advent of this type of RM Transaction. That is where folks are getting their Gold From with no Bans.
RM Purchasing of Gear through avenues of Gifting and Low Gold Buyouts is where folks are getting flagged. I can’t mansplain this garbage out any more for you and I won’t get further into that discussion on these forums. But real, factual evidence is pretty much what I have. Hence why I said, this needs to be brought to their attention.
- RMT and the whole industry’s advent is easily within my age. I have seen it all, been a part of both sides and know all the in’s and out’s too. It’s awfully basic. The game itself has changed in the way they monitor things. From no monitoring to about 50% or less being monitored properly and then acted upon. LOTS of room for improvement here.
We don’t need announcements to know they are banning people and my statement in the previous response under #3 about being MG 1 and CoF 10 while having 3B + 110+ Tabs at 250+ hours is literally impossible. You cannot do that without buying gold. You’d be running at a 175,000 Gold+ Deficit with the Tabs alone!!!
I get that you are trying to defend them for some reason but sorry there are glaring issues still with their anti-cheating methodology. I hope they resolve it but it isn’t working. Getting a fix for buying Gold is HUGE. Why? Well next season I could buy 2B gold very early and then just stick to CoF and have a decked out character through crafting who is done content faster than anything else. I’m not sure how me even discussing this would be a negative.
Lastly as for the end there. If this was brought to their attention then some folks you are talking to wouldn’t be talking to you as their accounts wouldn’t allow them probably on these forums. You catching the clue yet?
As I said. “Unreal” and that statement sticks. This industry is what it is, don’t try to change that with conjecture man.
It can’t be done. If there’s trade, there will be RMT. If you plug a way to RMT, they will find another. You can’t ever stop RMT. As can be seen that no game has managed to do so, ever.
You can make it harder or less profitable. But you’ll never get rid of RMT as long as there is trade in the game.
I’ll leave you with this.
Prove to me that someone with MG1 only can somehow have 110+ Tabs and 3B+ Gold at 250+ Hours. I’ve been streaming almost non-stop with 15 mastery classes and even I did that math and it doesn’t jive any way you look at it.
The sites have the different methods listed on them, you can read the three and two are being banned. It’s like a ring-around the rosy where you can nearly almost blatantly admit something and it is missed here, so I have little faith in comprehension.
We’ve discussed the rest so figure it out, it’s all visible there and written out. Have a good one.
I’m not sure what you want me to say. Are you expecting me to say RMT isn’t a thing? I’ve been saying from the start that it is. In fact, I’ve said that it’s impossible to get rid of.
I also said that devs are aware of this and are taking whatever steps they can take to minimize this. I’m pretty sure they’re aware of all this, since, you know, they can access all the data from the game.
At this point, I’m not even sure what your point is, anymore.
Well that is the thing, you folks and your responses are all over. I’m just responding to #1, 2, 3. Making smaller and factual statements from personal experience. I’m not going to give you Video Evidence of how something like this is done myself.
At this point I’m just responding, responding.
Doesn’t change the fact that right now, if you go buy a Piece of Gear off a Site and then get Gifted or Buy that Gear for 10g. You will be flagged. [THIS IS A GREAT THING! A Good Change]
If you go to the same site, they tell you to get MG 1, post a specific # of items then divvy up that Gold Cost to mask it. You’ll quickly find out that you won’t be getting banned at all. [This is a TERRIBLE thing, we CAN do better and find ways to flag this for next Season]
That is the WHOLE POINT I’ve been trying to get across every time I have to respond to someone going off on something entirely different. [Like Operating Costs to Buy a new Game, which is Moot IF you use the methods that don’t get you canned]
I am a Mod and an old Operator of Starlight. A Massive Boosting Community in WoW and other Games today. So yeah, I see this stuff and do the math. I’ve been there, done it, bought it, sold it. It is what it is. Nobody is saying you’re dumb, I’m trying to explain as simplistily as possible how folks are still getting away with things, even with the evidence being as simple as GLANCING at a MG Level, The Time Played, The Stash Tabs, The Gold Value in their Account.
If someone has way more gold than is possible with MG 1? C’mon, we should have a way to detect that garbage too? Right? You like the game and want it to prosper right? I do?
It was the “ESPECIALLY since they actually started enforcing RMAH style transactions.” bit that confused my sadly pre-embrionic brain. Since LE doesn’t have an RMAH.
Also, if you’re going to call someone dumb, would you mind at least getting your spelling correct (by, not buy).
Apologies, I didn’t realise you were in the botting/RMT industry.
You said it cost $40 here, he then said it cost less than 35 (without a currency) here. TBF, he’s correct, it currently costs £29.50 which is substantially less than 35 but a fair bit more than CAD40. If you’re going to talk with someone in a different country it helps to specify the currency. If you don’t & the other person doesn’t psychically know which one you’re referring to, that’s not really their fault when you were unclear.
Yes, you’re trying to explain stuff that pretty much everyone knows and even have discussed in this forum previously.
It’s common knowledge. And as I said, I’m sure the devs know about this already. I’m sure they’re also taking steps to combat this since the start. As much as it can be done.
Because, as I’ve said multiple times and you’ve ignored multiple times, you can’t ever get rid of RMT. Ever. No game has ever managed it. You block one way to RMT, they’ll come up with a new one. It’s just how it is.
I’m aware of what an RMAH, but unless your leet skills have provided you with a different version, you can’t buy stuff on the AH for RM. You were around when D3 released so you should know the difference between an RMAH & a GAH. Yes, obviously one can do stuff outside of the game to buy stuff for RM, but that doesn’t make any AH an RMAH. If you can’t do it in-game then it doesn’t count (IMO). You may have a different opinion due to your RMT-adjacent background.
You don’t have anything to constructively discuss.
You’ve made several assumptions & are using terminology based on your particular experience (as we all do) but then you’re acting like your particular experience is the norm for everyone else, which it isn’t.
You must be new here.
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Your comments here are so far beyond nonsense that “word salad” is not enough; this is really more like a word salad bar at this point. If the author of Time Cube weren’t dead I’d honestly suspect you may be one and the same.
Fucking lol. Being a janitor for a community where you play somebody else’s account for them in WoW does not even begin to approach actual RMT. Why you’re in here talking like you’re Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Ross is beyond me.
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And what do you think happens in 95% of RMT? It’s exactly that measure which can’t be properly overseen which is used, obviously so.
You just need to think about how that works, a LE account costs 34€ currently (in my country), so what does it mean to make profit? Minus the power usage you get 40€ per account out of it.
If it’s achieved from bots or through buying Gold from people which get the flak and be banned is of no concern, also not if the people receiving your gold get banned, that’s common, you just want to make sure your customer has the least risk involved that’s possible… so the least risky strategy is chosen since it means return customers.
So, basically all that account does is get access to MG, getting miniscule amounts of favor and sitting there using it up through low favor items to get tons of gold together from seller for cheap… then re-sell that for a higher price. This can easily be automated with a bot for the in-game part, even more so if they make an input for which item the respective seller puts up for which price, causing the bot to scan an automatically buy/sell that.
So, what happens if they make 100€ out of a single account? Yes, 66€ in pure profit. Energy cost? 3-4€ maybe?
That’s a decent chunk! Let’s invest into another one… another 66€… then another… until a second bot suddenly sits there and does the same.
You think the RMT spammers are the selling accounts? No chance, those are just the visible aspect, you won’t see the account actually owning the gold, this detaches them from the risk.
RMT is one of the main issues for modern online gaming. As soon as you have wanna have a market then taking measures to remove as much RMT as possible is the lifeline on how your game survives or dies.
OSRS Runescape died nearly from RMT.
Silk Road did die from RMT.
Eve Online nearly broke down from RMT twice.
You only find out about a miniscule amount of bots nowadays. Input-measures of bots nowadays are handled in a way to include RNG aspects to a large degree, often in the measure of seconds of possible delay between actions where a human would also be slower and being quicker when a human would react quicker. Not to speak of a RNG layer for where the mouse-pointer is positioned when clicking to avoid that as well. What gets banned are joksters which don’t know a thing about quality programming. We’re not at D2 RMT times nowadays… those companies can spring up out of nowhere, have 20+ games under their control and 10+ years of knowledge on how to get the most out of their avenue.
It’s not realistic to say ‘Oh yes, we’re banning bots’ when you have a friggin hard time to catch the important ones. The ones actively farming gold will run either a customized client to allow multi-clients, to be open on a single machine or emulate a windows space on minimum specs - hella laggy - with the bot to forego the need of custom clients, because the bot doesn’t care if they lag a bit as long as they can re-run the same bit of content over and over and pick up all the loot showcased in their filter, just gotta take the time to offload it all into the market and make 500+ mil a day per machine… which is a decent return if you run 2-3 machines on the side, energy profit still and a not highly contested market for now.
Overall don’t underestimate modern technology, we got such intricate setups that you’ll fail to spot them with any common anti-cheat system easily. The only way to remove the majority of RMT is through sheer mechanical stop-gaps to prevent it and make it really really hard to profit properly.
This means a 100 mil 200 favor idol listing being the main suspect of those situations, there the devs can’t interfere easily and it’s a golden goose for RMT. Hence why I’m repeatedly saying ‘what the fuck has EHG thought would happen there?’ because it’s such a immediate red flag in terms of botting and RMT usage coming up that it’s baffling, new devs or not.
It’s funny that you talk so strongly about assumptions and then you go and assume stuff all the time. You have no idea what my (and anyone else’s) age is.
In fact, judging by your language, I’d say I’m at least as old as you, probably older.
The rest of your comments aren’t worth responding anymore since they’re a jumble of back and forth stuff that doesn’t add anything and simply ignores everything everyone else says.
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