I’m not making an assumption. I’m making an informed statement based on standard practices companies make. There’s a difference. Companies, before making big life changing decision will always analyse various aspects, that’s just common practice. The fact that the founder (not owner anymore) said on one of his replies here that he is well aware of the drama surrounding Krafton, shows that they did their research and the PR talk is a planned damage control pre-emptively expecting community backlash.
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The assumption was already made based on my original post to this, and everyone else that has jumped in seems to support that assumption as fact. If you don’t believe that the statement was fact but are justifying it you are in the same group.
The assumption was that EHG went with Krafton because they don’t care about their player base and basically said that they don’t care. I quote “ehg knew this was going to be the response from their player base and they did it anyway.”
Yes, and I agree with that statement. They obviously knew the community wasn’t going to receive this news well. They did it anyway. They knew about Krafton’s bad rep, and they knew about the games they fucked up and they don’t care. The founder (not owner anymore) said it himself. He literally said he doesn’t believe the drama and bad rep that comes with Krafton will affect the game. That’s literally admitting they knew and didn’t care. Guess you didn’t read his posts on this thread, go figure.
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Ironically, your assumption is wrong.
What was said is, “EHG knew this was going to be the response from their player base”, as in, they knew their playerbase was not going to be happy about it.
You have assumed it meant “EHG went with Krafton because they don’t care about their player”, which is not what was said. It’s perfectly possible that EHG cares about their players but still did this, knowing their playerbase would not be happy about it, because it’s what’s best for the game in the long run.
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Guess you read minds too.
I already addressed this. But I guess you won’t accept the logic behind it because your response is emotion based. I get it man, it’s tough to accept that money you spent will be wasted. But your argumentation of ‘assumption’ won’t go anywhere as I already told you why. Try a different approach man…
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My response has nothing to do with emotions, unlike most of the posts on this thread. It’s based on the logic which says that assumptions are not fact. My entire response has been to this and nothing more. I don’t know the fact what EHG “knew” or what the “cared” about when making this decision. I can make assumptions to but would rather base any comment I make on known fact, or state that it’s my assumption.
Whatever you say man. I already justified it with a quite logical reasoning to why it’s not an assumption, but rather an informed statement. But hey, you might want to prattle every reply, but this is becoming a circular argument and I have no patience for this. If you think it’s an assumption, then you’re free to do so. I’m just pointing out how ignorant that statement is because you have no idea how companies work.
I know how companies work, but here you are making yet another assumption just because you’re not getting what you want. Later, just enjoy the game or move on to another, it makes no difference to me.
Doesn’t look like it.
Sure, fair to both.
Now lemme give you a little mental example here:
You got 2 options presented.
Option ‘A’ is: The developers of this game have no brain cells available at all and hence wouldn’t even think of the repercussions to this information. They hence would be utterly surprised by it, they would actively think they did a great fantastic thing that should be praised, a positive thing moving into the future!
And how would they do that? By teaming up with a publisher that’s has one of the worst standings in the industry. Hurray!
Option B is: They knew it would cause backlash, they likely had no other choice as no other publisher wants to dip their hands into a company which when they open their books to you - which is a clear requisite to acquisition - showcases a significant downward trend. Overextending their company severely and having mismanaged the game heavily by not even remotely building up the mandatory content pipeline which such a game needs. Going from a small indie company to a mid/large size one without showcasing any substantial change in speed, quality and especially scale of releases which would cause a significant influx of customers.
The chance for ‘Option A’ is such a miniscule one that we can state ‘Option B’ as fact, hence them having the knowledge of it.
Why would it be stated as fact despite not 100% knowing the situation? Because if it’s ‘Option A’ then by all means… you should actively work against EHG in that case because it’s a baseline guarantee for failing entirely. ‘Option B’ at least provides a miniscule possibility for it to get somewhat close to the initially promised release state, which we’re miles away from.
Now… we’ve gotten a clear-cut knowledge of EHG knowing the perception of Krafton, what the history of Krafton is and nonetheless going into an agreement with them.
That removes the ability for ‘Option A’ nigh entirely. Sure… a miniscule chance exists… but it’s so soooooo small like someone going to a shooting range, hitting a bulls-eye and then someone coming by and saying ‘Maybe he missed entirely and it just ricochetted off the walls several times to hit the center!’.
Sure, could be the case… but would be utter nonsense to even think off, wouldn’t it? Want to have proof for that first before you can take it as a fact unless proven otherwise?
Which is an assumption that’s viable.
But the worse one.
There’s 2 possible ones:
Once again, Option A:
They went for the cash grab to have an ‘out’, simple as that. Sweet sweet moolah. Hence uncaring.
Option B:
Their finances are so bad that they had no other choice, and no other publisher would take their product with a ten-yard stick even.
Both are viable ones. But you cannot state that the factual statement is based upon ‘A’ or ‘B’ in this case, both would allow the same outcome and hence it would stay ‘true’ nonetheless.
It is a way to appease the community, reasoning not important there first and foremost. If you wanna attack a comment then attack it at the root, not the outcome.
No, it’s a logical deduction in this case.
Unless pure inedptitude is a given from the writer, which the formatting of the post doesn’t showcase though. It’s a clear-cut manipulation of perception, which is inherently disgusting to do as it’s pure damage control without taking any responsibility.
Either the responsibility to the playerbase is broken by ensuring to provide a finished product as promised by keeping control of the direction of the product.
Alternatively the responsibility of truthful communication is broken by downplaying a dire situation, hence a failure of management to ensure the product is finished in a promised state and not adhering to the finances acquired accordingly to keep it happening.
Either or it’s a breach of trust and a failure on the side of EHG’s leadership, which simply cannot be removed here.
Removing control means that the original promises of content are now null and void sadly. The only way this can be reinstated is by a follow-up roadmap coming out in the next time which is allowed from Krafton, which includes the exact goals and timeframes for things to happen from now on.
Otherwise all formerly communicated aspects are not relevant as the leadership which has the control and made the promises is not the leadership anymore. Their responsibility is already gone, they ‘ran away’ without providing the according proper baseline for their customers. So shame on those making the deal anyway as we don’t have those documents yet.
The first part is a mandatory aspect.
It was addressed.
Hence they knew.
If you still don’t know that then it’s a failure of comprehension.
The second is up to debate, we don’t know. This cannot be stated as fact hence, but the first part absolutely can.
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And I understand where you’re coming from on the logic end, and appreciate the fact that you aren’t stating that those deductions are fact.
And that’s all good and fair to state, but not knowing how “business smart” they are, nor their state of mind about the player base, I can’t make any statements of fact just because I can deduce the “likelihood” of something.
They you can never at all take anything as fact.
A ‘fact’ is a situation which is so unlikely to be different that it’s taken as the only possible situation.
We take it as fact that Water freezes at 0C°… that’s science! But only if the air pressure is exactly 1 bar and it’s also distilled water.
Now the common thing is that water freezes in many situations below 0C°… which is a fact.
But did you know you can raise it above 0C°? This is also a fact, but when you see ice you’ll state ‘It has at least 0C° and not a single bit more’ as it would entail that the conditions of that water having frozen is a pressure 0f 0,0006 bar (I think it was?) and hence is so unlikely to occur that the realism of that is not upheld.
The same as that when you weight 1 KG of something at a properly calibrated scale you’ll say it’s ‘exactly 1 KG’ and take that as fact. You won’t go along to state ‘It could also be 9,99 or 1,01 KG since the precision of the scale could affect it’ and then go along to use Surface Acoustic Wave technology to ensure your 1 KG of… for example bread… will be exactly 1 KG and not less!
Facts are in a scaled parameter which is based on the situation. Not even in law facts are always facts, as long as the chance is accordingly high it is taken as proof, and hence fact. Yes, someone could’ve meticulously tampered with the meta-data of a video in a short timeframe while removing even the smallest errors which would pop up to showcase it’s been tampered with… but if that person isn’t a well known specialist that has distinct knowledge in that area then it’s seen as ‘it hasn’t happened’.
But… there’s a chance left. Hence is it a fact? Obviously not… but it is! Odd, isn’t it? 
It’s been 3 days since we’ve had a dev respond to this thread, are we going to get any response to this backlash at all?
Yes, those are all scientific facts, and the laws of science can be found to include where there are exceptions. I find scientific laws interesting, unlike many scientists who make statements of “fact” that are actually in contradictions to science. Most of the time those scientists are quickly countered by other scientists to bring them in check.
And everything on the WWW is highly suspect until strictly verified. 
Yes, with commonly a Sigma-5 to Sigma-7 probability, nowadays Sigma-9 or more even rather often.
Hence not 100%.
You cannot ever reach 100%, you just remove the unlikliest parts and take it as fact until proven otherwise.
Facts are not ‘situational.’ That would be more akin to a hypothesis, theory, or educated guess.
Controlling for all relevant variables, 1kg will always be 1kg. To say so otherwise is to be duplicitous.
Anything anyone has to say about this topic other than Krafton or EHG themselves will simply be either conjecture or purely opinion, as none of us are aware of all the terms of the arrangement, what was discussed during the proceedings, or even whether or not Krafton is actually in the wrong in the Subnautica case.
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Will it? Do we know?
How inside a black hole? Would it uphold?
Inside a white hole even? Which is a theorized situation of being a counterpart of a black hole. Would it uphold there?
We don’t know.
Until 2006 Pluto was factually a planet. Then with more modern methods re-evaluation happened and given modern methods it was re-classified as a dwarf planet instead. Nobody said it was a ‘theory’ beforehand, did they? It was a fact. But even facts can be overthrown.
And nobody can state that 1 KG is actually 1 KG… it only is on earth with our current knowledge. Does it uphold when we would re-do outside of the perceived universe? The theory there is to be nigh endless more space as the most likely situation. And our understanding of physics is highly based upon Einstein’s Relativity Theory. Facts spring up on the basis of a theory in that case, don’t they?
But they are nonetheless facts since there is no way to prove it otherwise… yet.
Dinosaurs are scaled as they’re reptiles… wrong, formerly fact.
Wicth-burning in England… wrong, hanged, not burned, only on the european continent itself were witches burned.
There’s only 3 states of matter, and it’s taught as fact in many schools for decades! Wrong, there’s more. Plasma.
Heck… we don’t even know the number of planets in our solar system as we can’t properly see them even with modern methods. We currently got 8 planets and 5 dwarf planets. Expectations are nowadays to have at least 50.
You take many many things in your mind as a ‘fact’ unless new information comes, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to take any action at all.
So now returning to the ongoing situation:
We don’t know the full facts.
What should the reaction of a customer be with the current known facts?
Should we invest?
Should we wait?
Should we leave?
Which one is it? There is only a single sensible option available.
One is using time and resources, and if the basis is wrong then those are lost.
The other is using time, and if the basis is wrong then the time is lost.
One uses neither, but if the basis is wrong then leaving is the active action causing the product to hence fail when it wouldn’t have.
So… which is the right one? Which facts do we exactly currently have to base our decisions on?
That’s a whole lot of misdirection away from the subject matter at hand which doesn’t have a whole lot of any basis in established theory or fact. (Also ‘controlling for all relevant variables’ was doing a lot of heavy lifting in my original statement).
Krafton has a lot of failed projects but, as far as I know, no one’s ever done an externally visible post-mortem on how any of those ‘went wrong.’ So, while it might be enticing and desirable to simplify things and blame the publisher in all of those cases, in reality it’s probably more of a ‘little of column A (publisher) and a little of column B (developer).’
Just as there are many ‘bad’ publishers, there are also some decent ones. No one can tell you how to feel or whether or not you should continue to support EHG with your wallet. That’s just something you’ll need to decide for yourself based on what little information is available, your opinion of the two organizations, your personal financial situation, and whatever cost-benefit analysis you choose to ascribe to the value of your money vs. hours of entertainment and the quality of said entertainment there-of.
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