A New Chapter for Eleventh Hour Games

The sellout is complete

Sad day really. Subnautica was a fantastic game and corporate greed killed the sequel. How on earth can any developer think this is a good move unless they really don’t CARE if their game goes under as long as they get money out of it.

The only problem that I can see is that you guys got a one-time payment from Krafton which will set your profits from the in-game profits to a literal 0. Maybe not a 0, but every single person with some common sense will understand how shady this is, and I am sure you could have gone for an option way better than Krafton, but you probably just chose more money.

Now i CAN’T WAIT 4 new wings variants for my character instead of new bosses

Came to forum all happy with the news about offline cosmetics,
And now this one…

I really hope that will work as it will provide time for the team to develop.
I really hope money went to the cash flow not to paycheck.
I really hope EHG understands what legacy vs temporal rush of serotonin for a mojito in a new house mean.

Funny thing with hope - it dies last.

Only if Krafton want to suck the financial life out of EHG in the hope that they can make back their investment before the cashflow runs dry. Maybe they do? :person_shrugging: But it’s a pretty dumb/short term viewpoint.

It’s not nothing, it’s just not control.

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Not how that works. Investors also can have control it depends on the contract signed. U and i do not know the deal ggg made with 10 cent. Before 10 cent became the owners of GGG.

To say Investors dont have control is an out right lie

You mean like how they sabotaged subnautica 2 to justify delaying the game so they didn’t have to pay the bonus to the studio actually making the4 game?

Yup, stuff like that. though TBF, I only played Subnautica 1 a little during EA & haven’t touched it since so I wouldn’t know what happened with #2.

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rip , we have seen how this goes a thousand times before

You guys should’ve partnership with Astronomer better.

100% by 2024 actually, not 25%.

Tencent is the owner of GGG nowadays.

But they have 100% by now :stuck_out_tongue: So kinda in this case it is… since it’s not 25% :wink:

They are known for having dumb/short term viepoints.
But yeah, not quite as short-term.

First recovery of investment, then ignoring anything beyond as it already paid back with dividents.

Which financially is a good call… just illegal.
Why? They save 250 mil and still get a game… for 250 mil less then they contracted them for.

Is it a shitty move? Absolutely! But so is even promising 250 mil in the first place :joy:

We’re not talking about GGG. Is this the time to ask if you skimmed the post (like I’m known to do)? :rofl:

I honestly don’t know if it’s illegal or not (morally indefensible, obviously), I guess we’ll see how the court case goes…

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Love you guys.

Last season was one of my favorite ARPG experiences. I’m nervous about this change, but I trust you to do what’s right for the game. Excited for next season.

:pray:

Ohhh, my bad! Not my day today it seems :rofl:

Sorry for that!

Yeah, it’s clearly illegal to do it by how I voiced it. Namely that it got adjusted even with an inkling of reason to not pay out 250 mil.
That would be legally sabotage and is not allowed, neither in the EU nor the US.

The only way they can talk themselves out of it is by stating it’s because of PR reasons and perception of the product. But even that is at best on a very very wonky foundation because even without intention the sabotage hence would happen.

In their specific case Krafton builds their case hence upon the developers not doing their due work duty… but given the goal was reached I would argue ‘their duty is done’. If I finish my work I’m contracted for to be paid for a year in 2 weeks then I’ll also enjoy my time off obviously, nothing reprehensible in there, it’s how it should go after all.
So it all hinges on those aspects for the lawsuit how the legal system sees it wherever it’s handled.

yep. Fist to go should be animation and UI.
more than half of the most egregious and longstanding bugs or inacceptable jank, are there

Investors can have voting rights on decisions. But as far as we know, Tencent had a less than 25% stake in EHG, they can influence decisions by being an investor but have no ultimate control over any decisions that EHG made.

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You can’t possibly be that naive.

Animation is only visually, so secondary. Yes… really… and I mean really annoying at times since it pulls you out of the immersion but in practice not too important.

It should definitely go to the UI as that causes frustrating functional situations (clicking through it… opverlapping stuff… aghhh… hate it.) and the actual content.
Why content? Because the campaign isn’t finished and the promised end-game mechanics also not. Sure, the roadmap changed… but we should expect alternative ones which at least act in a comparable amount of depth and variety for them.

Then following definitely Animations though.

And following that reworking old systems which haven’t been ‘good’ for longevity (but definitely short-term fantastic!) when they were implemented already.

With a 25% ownership they don’t. They can sell their shares but and nudge the direction substantially since 25% is a lot… but they can’t overthrow any decisions made in-house unanimously. That’s simply not a thing.

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Yep, the threat of pulled funding and then having a 25% share is substantial, but EHG had a 75% share so unless 26% of EHG agreed with Tencent, there’s no way for Tencent to have made EHG do anything EHG didn’t want to do,

Krafton has 100% control over EHG, so even if 100% of EHG said “we don’t want to”, Krafton can say “too bad. Do it anyway”. This is not even close to the same situation as taking Tencent on as an investor

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As with every corporate takeover, we all know this is just a matter of time until stuff gets merged and independence slowly vanishes.
The good thing is that situations like these usually have a phase where both parties test the waters. Those phases are still safe regarding corporate influences. I expect this game (and possibly EHG) to go downhill in about 1-2 years from now.

At least we had fun as long as it lasted until then.

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