i can’t actually engage with you on a point by point basis when you’re being intentionally thick.
there WAS an exploit and perhaps it’s still ongoing, and that will be fact until someone can reasonably explain why MG was suddenly flooded with trillions of gold nearly a week ago without a dupe or illicit exploit involved, well beyond what 50k active MG players could farm in echoes in a day. meanwhile, gold seller prices dropped 10x overnight with a seemingly limitless supply.
the only current rational explanation: gold sellers were and currently are being suppled with duped/exploited gold and sold a ton of it to players who’d rather pay $10-15 to hit gold cap than spend weeks working the markets to hit gold cap.
My arguments have nothing to do with whether there’s a gold exploit or not. They were just correcting false assumptions.
As I said before, this is just a wild assumption. You have no way to know this, nor do I. All you might have is anecdotal evidence which you extrapolate.
Only EHG can know how much gold there is or isn’t in the game.
exactly what EHG Mike said in discord, you should apply to be on their team… I’d like to see an EHG dev state that there was no exploit or gold dupe resulting in the insane inflation we all saw. they won’t, because they know otherwise.
someone who has backend access and has been extremely quiet about it for a week perhaps
If there is a dupe/exploit, it’s one that is being done by a small group of people. Otherwise it would be general information by now.
And since you can’t resell in LE, unlike in other games, there really in no point in buying dozens of the same item. You get no benefit from having 100 Shattered worlds, since you can only equip one at a time. Not to mention that it would make it extremely easy for EHG to find and ban them.
So unless an exploit is actually public (at which time everyone and their mother will try to abuse it before it gets fixed, even if they get banned for it), I don’t really see it being actually impactful on MG.
it’s extremely impactful when goldsellers have access to it, allowing people to buy infinite amounts for next to nothing with their wallets. causes prices of everything to skyrocket out of control until it hits max listing price, 1.5b for pretty basic stuff. want a shattered worlds 1LP? 1.1b. want a shattered worlds 2LP? won’t find it because cap is 1.5b and they instantly get bought at that price.
use your noggin. it has plenty of effects.
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This is actually bad for gold sellers. The more gold there is (and the more perception of available gold people have), the less it is worth.
Gold sellers would actually prefer if everyone had barely any gold, since then it would actually be worth more money.
Which is why you see prices for gold selling go down everytime there is an exploit.
no one cares if gold sellers would prefer high prices or low prices, it’s about what it does to MG players. the average MG player who farms in echoes can’t afford these absurd prices without using a credit card, which is very tempting considering how cheap the gold is because the sellers have an infinite supply.
EHG can prevent/fix the dupe and/or fix the gold selling and buying, but every league they just do NEITHER. obviously the “new” systems they had in place for 1.2 were insufficient yet again.
I’m shocked there is a possibility to inflate market with no restrictions to new accounts and such.
The average MG player can never afford top items even without inflated prices, so that makes no difference. If a Shattered worlds costs 100 million or 1 billion makes no difference to them.
Also, for the other players, a Shattered worlds costs 1 billion but so every other item is also worth more. So they can still sell other items to make the money.
If anything inflation just makes it easier. A Nihilis that is worth 10 million needs 10 sales to buy a 100 million Shattered Worlds, but a Nihilis that is worth 500M only needs 3 sales to afford a 1.5B Shattered Worlds.
Every time there was a dupe/exploit, it was fixed very fast.
Every time there was a dupe, they removed most of the duped gold.
So that’s not really nothing.
And while I don’t deny that a dupe/exploit could exist (it likely does, just like it also exists in every other trading game, including PoE), I still doubt that all this panic and hysteria is due to one.
I think people are just used to a market like PoE, that has currency sinks, and expect prices to stabilize, and are then surprised when it doesn’t because gold growth in LE is linear and doesn’t ever stop.
“they removed most of the duped gold”, that’s a laugh.
you also seemed to miss my point about how the most elite items can’t be listed because there is a hard cap on the max amount you can list an item for on the market, which is 1.5b.
so if an LP1 is listed for 1.5b, why would i ever want to list my LP2 or my LP3 for the same 1.5b? i’d never get what it’s worth. and even if i did, someone who was willing to pay 20b for the item may never get a chance to beat out the scavengers looking to pick it up for 1.5b. just a ridiculous system with this much gold in MG.
tldr; dupe exists, EHG never publicly addressed it.
The devs themselves said that and I tend to believe them over someone that has no idea about it.
Especially when, so far, they’ve all been honest about previous exploits and their impact.
They never made an announcement, but neither have they denied it in the previous instances one happened. When asked about it, they were always honest about it without ever going into details.
As Mike said after being asked about the gold exploit in 1.1: “Players vastly overestimate the amount of duped gold that was left”.
As I mentioned (and you decided to ignore) this is likely because gold in LE grows at a linear rate. Everyday there is always more gold than in the previous day. A 15% tax is mostly irrelevant for this.
And players are used to economies that have currency sinks into them, which LE does not have, so they’re surprised when prices keep increasing because available gold keeps increasing as well.
Whether there is a gold dupe or not doesn’t change this. Without a gold dupe this will always happen anyway. Gold dupes only make it happen faster. And panicked/hysteric players will only make it happen faster.
can’t actually further engage with this circus clown that doesn’t use logic. good day sir.
