Both Factions will be available in offline, though one of them seem pretty useless 
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If they share a stash, they share faction progress.
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Hmmm, I don’t know…
The way I see it, CoF feels a lot more fun, while MG is more about power.
But I think it is a fair trade-off. People looking for min-max will go for MG, people looking for more fun activities will go CoF. A good, balanced choice.
If you give MG the same amount of flavour and fun stuff to do, it would become the go-to option for nearly everyone (same amount of fun + more power).
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Which ones would they be?
Because not everyone likes the rng of drops. Trade is guaranteed (if you can afford it).
I think the fact that there are people (who haven’t tried it) both claiming that it’s “obvious” that both sides will be better than the other is a good thing as it means that the factions system appeals to both types of player (pro/anti trade). If there are more people playing one over the other, i think that says more about the players than whether trade is/is not better than CoF.
There isn’t currently planned to be one.
It’s the only other big arpg with trade. It is inevitable and a good thing (a source/pressure to improve).
RoA can give you any drop unique regardless of whether it has a unique base or not.
But CoF is supposed to be all about rng. If you made it deterministic (such as a prophecy that dropped a specific unique) that would make it like the trade faction but not requiring gold or other people. Or rng (which is the entire theme of the faction).
If you want less/no rng, play MG. That’s what it’s for.
Prophecies aren’t content. MG & CoF have just as much content available to them as thd other.
But it gets old and esepcially when taking examples that are not even compareable.
There is nothing quite like a Faction Approach (in a ARPG), even Trade vs SSF is not really compareable here because these are not two seperate game modes in LE.
Also there is nothing in PoE that compares to Prophecies and Lenses, with the exception of the now removed Prophecies in PoE, which were absolutely random and nothing for SSF for the most part.
I do comparisons to PoE myself a lot of the time, but only when it makes sense.
Just grabbing PoE as an example all the time is tiring when it feels like people need to have something to compare it to. Just leave it be its own thing sometimes, you know some devs come up with new approaches
Just an idea, when CoF hunts prophecies and gets ”objectives” from that. It would be cool if Merchants guild gets objectives from players.
Like player could add request for an item and people could get like mini task for it.
And when they take this task they could get boost for crafting or drop rate IF these tasks seems take forever etc. >
And when they complete this task they get Favor / Reputation or some sort of reward.
Overall i’m excited to try both, starting with CoF
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I cannot stress enough that implicit in this statement is that there is a ready and healthy supply. And I don’t think that is necessarily true, particularly given the restrictions in MG.
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I mean look at it from opposite side and tell me what is so wrong with having lenses with different tiers and having lower tiers of all kind enabled early then? Happy to read your explanation to that.
Personally I don’t see any reason. It is just gating something desirable behind a guild tier so players would have a progression with these mechanics. I truly cannot see the design perspective why a lens blocking activity type is behind tier 3. Why blocking high corruption is behind tier 5. Why do we get rarity only on tier 5? Instead of simply having them but with lower numbers from the start. Do explain.
Also prophecies are pretty much gambling with your favor unless favor comes in abundance. It is not free. You still need to do something else to get favor to maybe luckily roll for a prophecy that gives what you want. And as if this is not enough, now first you need to grind for the rank you need. It is just friction for the sake of progression.
Also don’t be so triggered hearing PoE. I am not comparing specifics, I am just talking about a general perspective about content customization and progression. If you prefer, I can give Lost Ark examples just for you next time cause Lost Ark also has some weird gating like this.
Not sure if you understood what I wrote as I don’t talk about barrier to progression. I talk about having customization gate behind higher progression. I specifically said it can be enabled early on with lower tiers. So I am not asking for MOAR stuff. I am only asking for more customization. Something can be improvement to what we have, doesn’t make it the best approach.
Regardless my feedback is to devs. Up to them to care about it or not. I am not here to argue every opposing opinion.
Having specific bonuses or mechanics being avaialble very early on and then growing stronger takes away a lot of the excitment of unlocking specific things. If you have these tiered things, so that you have some low level version of somethign early on it takes a lot away from a milestone achievement.
We don’t know anything about the Progression Pacing yet and you already critizie specific things being behind specific tiers.
Maybe Tier 3 is already unlocked so early you didn’t even hutn for specific prophecies yet.
Its additional rewards on top of stuff that you would normally do anything, unless there are very specific prophecies that grant guaranteed rewards that would encourage you to do content you would normally avoid.
It is not friction for the sake of progression. Its soem cool loot on top of what you do in a loot driven ARPG anyway: Slay Monsters.
You did compare a specific aspect but anyway.
I am not really triggered, but just frustrated how many people compare some of these new things to PoE equivalents. This is not specifically you, but I really hate if people bring up the term SSF when describing CoF, that is NOT what it is… AT ALL.
SSF or even SAF (Solo Account Found) are game modes that are also available on top of these factions.
Sometimes I just wish people would lay back and say:“Hey that is actually a good idea, I wonder why PoE didn’t do something like that” Or just generally being a bit more open with new things and not trying to compare them all the time.
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Things that:
- break the game
- create new builds
- unseen elsewhere
- are exclusive to one faction
Stupid ideas
- Exclusive skill nodes, items or properties to one or the other league
- Circle of Fortune: Everything that is based on chance / roll
- Circle of Fortune: On loot, X% chance to roll +1 on
- +Y to Skill Z (create new builds)
- +Y to All Skills (create new builds)
- Circle of Fortune: On loot, X% chance to roll an ambidextry property that allows wielding in any hand (one-handed items only)
- Enables crazy dual wielding anything (create new builds)
- Double shield
https://diablo-proposals.web.app/#_double-shield
- Merchant’s Guild: Scarce loot and gold
- Merchant’s Guild: Druid can transform into a Bull (create new builds)
- Merchant’s Guild: Themed nodes (“Libra’s blessing”, “Caravanserai”, “Black Friday”, “Stock Market”, “Bull Market”, “Bear Market”, “Compound Interests”, “Limited Liable Company”, “Trust”, …etc.), and traps to avoid (Property Tax, Sales Tax, Income Tax, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax…etc.), offering enough fantasy and cool anti-monotony mechanics, might be enough to appeal players to try this mode. The Merchant’s Guild should be bolder, flavored and literally teach players how to do business. #SeriousGame.
- Merchant’s Guild: The “Trust” node avoids to lose too much money when a character dies. The money is global (Intergenerational wealth). Otherwise without this node, money is per character, and 50% of the money is taken by the State when character dies (Inheritance Tax)
- Merchant’s Guild: A ranking of richest people in the world, continent, country, state, city (since inception, 5 Years, 1 Year, 6 Months, 1 Month, 7 days, 1 day) : It is all about wealth generation and who has the biggest money count
what you do not understand is that trade can get ULTRA SPECIFIC items, it can just BUY an OMNIS, which makes it by far more powerful than CoF could ever be if CoF doesn’t have abilities to skip the RNG.
Everything CoF can get can be obtained via trade, so CoF needs to be VERY GOOD at target finding in order to compete.
I do not suggest the same amount, just a bit of flavour for MG. Just something unique that will make rewards less boring. And compensate it with extra stuff for CoF.
imo gating game content behind faction choice is not a good idea. So if I chose MG why I can’t go dual-shield (just an example)?
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Because, as the names imply:
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Circle of Fortune is all about extraordinary chance, something that should not normally happen. Literally emboying the luck of Gladstone Gander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladstone_Gander -
Merchant’s Guild is all about accumulating wealth. Literally emboying the wealth generation mechanisms of Uncle Scrooge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Scrooge
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Different Factions, different goals, different mechanisms.
There is no point to have the same value proposal in the both factions.
They must be differentiable at first glance.
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who said? The only difference is how you aquire items (trade vs no-trade). If I chose a faction I make a decision how I like to get my gear in LE. If I like to dual-shield but also want to be able to trade that would not be possible for me.
They do differentiate, between trade and not-trade
One gives bonuses to drops, the other lets you buy specific items from other players.
Giving any special faction bonus besides these things will just force people to trade when they would rather not, or force people to pseudo-solo-self-found when they would rather not.
yes but not content. None of the factions offer any new content that what I mean.
but “Druid can transform into a Bull (create new builds)” - this is new content. I don’t think the devs would like to gate that by faction choice. And I do agree
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The requests from other players are in plans. Mike told about this on the stream last Friday. Thought it won’t be ready for 1.0. But boosting droprate doesn’t make much sense: people will start listing something ridiculous just to boost droprates overall. And I do not understand your suggestion about mini tasks. If you made a request, you do not want a thousand of such items. And having a quest that gets cancelled in the process sounds bad too. And if such quest gets assigned to one person only, it might never be completed.
I forgot to mention that CoF has a SECRET bonus that trade doesn’t
Rank 0: no lag(because you are playing offline)
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