Damage dealt to mana doesn’t apply to rage, though.
I do have that affix on the Seed helmet, but it never does anything in Spriggan Form. Neither of the mana affixes (like the gloves’ 250% of mana spent deals damage to you) do anything.
That means that we do get transformed back to human with some health at least, even if it’s just 1, at which point the mana affixes kick in. Probably more, since I survived as human.
Really? I assumed the affix on the gloves didnt apply, but Seed of Ekkdrasil did apply to it. Its one of the reasons I avoided Seed of Ekkdrasil in the first place, though in fairness they couldve changed it anytime between early 1.1 to now.
Test without Seed anyway, because im 100% sure Primalist Transformations dont have a second health pool, if you die in Spriggan Form, you die fullstop. Its only Reaper Form that has a second health pool because of its interactions with Health as its version of Rage.
Maybe theres a passive tree node or item that gives you a second health pool during Spriggan Form, but im pretty sure it is just Seed of Ekkdrasil.
It could also be that Seed is glitched and is dealing damage to your rage when it shouldnt be in some random cases.
Yeah, I’m sure of that. I’ve had plenty of hits that left me with very little life and yet rage didn’t change at all. It never does, except from casts or decay.
I’ll test this easily at some point. I just ned to remove the chest and shield and then let some low mobs chip at my health. And I can test it with both helmet and without.
Yeah if its not Seed, idk what is causing it. Because ive been playing and testing this Spriggan Form reflect build since 1.1, and without fail, I have never transformed back into a human, when I die in Spriggan Form I die fullstop, so I am 100% its not a case of Spriggan Form giving you two health pools.
Is your ign “DJSamhein”? I can look over your build to see if I can spot something other than Seed that causes this.
I play offline now, but this is my current build:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWkJDM2Q
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Yeah Seed of Ekkdrasil is quite literally the only possible thing I can think of and see that is causing you to de-transform.
I also searched to see if “damage dealt to mana before health” applied to rage, and the only thing I could find was the stupid AI thing saying that it would deal damage to rage. While that does support my theory, take it with a big pinch of salt.
It could be that for smaller hits, your rage generation is making it hard to see Seed applying to rage. But apart from that, I could not tell you why it is de-transforming you lol
Well, just tested it and both with the helmet and without it I immediately die without transforming,
So I don’t know what is causing me to very occasionally survive in human form.
Nor is it a new thing. Even at launch when playing totem spriggan, I remember being transformed into human by the Emperor of Corpses explosion.
It’s not something I see often, but it did happen more than once. So I don’t know what combination is required for this to happen and if it’s some outlier case still “within the rules” or if it’s a bug.
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I figured out what must have happened, and you were right about it being the helmet.
The most likely scenario, and almost certainly what happened, is that I took a big hit that wasn’t enough to kill me, but was enough to deplete all the rage.
Aaron also made a reflect build, but he went with Shaman and had some strange choices to me.
I don’t think Shaman is better than Druid for this build. Shaman gets +10 attunement, irrelevant elemental resistance and irrelevant -cost for totems. Druids get mostly irrelevant DR when going back to human form (although it can still sometimes be relevant because of the gloves) and they get 20% health and mana, which seems much better than the extra attunement, of which we already have a lot.
As for passives, he gets some health and 8% DR against shocked (which he gets from storm bolts), whereas druid gets health regen, flat base regen, which is huge, and 10% health as endurance threshold.
Druid seems much tankier, Shaman might do up to 5% more damage.
Then he goes for the tornado gloves, but those only benefit us with with some cast speed and nothing else. I think Grasp is a much better option which lets us survive big hits.
He also goes for Valdyr’s chalice for the % reflect, but that is meaningless. Vessel seems a much better choice.
The belt also seems suboptimal, though there aren’t many great choices there. The +1 skills aren’t really relevant, the reflect is meaningless at this point. I still think Brewmaster is the best choice, since it allows us a big threshold boost.
The vines ring seems like an annoyance, rather than a convenience. If we want to stack vines to regen extra rage we can’t. Not that there are many options here either. Red rings are clearly the best option.
Anyway, he’s farming 1k, which I believe I can clearly as well. And if I get the second red ring and either a pair of 3LP Eterra’s or a good rolled Advent, I think Uby is a possibility. Also better LP on some stuff, like chest, amulet, etc.
Even if there’s no Uby, it’s still quite fun and I’m not yet ready to stop improving it, which is a rare thing for me. At this point I’d already be bored and ready to move on to the next build.
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Yeah I personally believe Shaman is the better choice, but regardless of that, some of those choices are incredibly strange.
GotBM/Immortal Vise is by far the BiS for a reflect build, the Rule of the Simoon is an interesting choice, I can understand why they used it. Since you cant cast tornado in Spriggan Form, using RotS gives you access to that, and with tornado you can spec Aspect of the Storm for attack speed, movespeed and you can proc more stormbolts. It also has a decent amount of resistances but regardless of that, Grasp is just the better choice.
Valdyr’s is incredibly strange. I would honestly rather use a Primalist exalted over that, it adds next to nothing to the build.
Yeah belt is tricky, personally id much rather use an exalted or Strand of Souls if I could get a 2lp. Thorn Slinger makes sense, but definitely isnt valuable enough for the build to be worth farming for.
Yeah for rings its hard to go wrong dual RRoA. Maybe a crab ring just for swiftness and the attributes if you dont have enough Red Rings to spare for the build.
Going back to Shaman vs Druid. I think its definitely quite close. For me personally I like the 8% dmg reduction from shocked, and the fact that you can scale flat regen with attunement. Especially considering flat regen is harder to get than %. Also its not as good as Hideskin, but you can spec in Shaman to get +20 endurance threshold per maelstrom currently active.
If you are doing a Spriggan/Werebear build then Druid is undoubtably better for the mastery passive bonus. But apart from that, the second half of the Druid tree doesnt look that much better than Shaman, with the only node I would consider worth it enough to switch to Druid being “Hideskin”.
There is alot of armour in the Druid tree, but with Thorn Shield, I can hit 80% armour mitigation without any armour spec anywhere else in the build. (outside of implicits that happen to have decent armour).
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Does the DR even kick in if you switch between forms? Isn’t it just for when you go back to human?
No, it’s only if you switch to/from Human.
ah I didnt know that, but that for me is even more reason to stick with Shaman over Druid lol
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