many thx! - one other question - is Ice thorn related to the spirit thorns from spriggian? or is this spell just for some damage if you shape back to human?!
I just have it as passive dmg from being hit along with the refrected from thicket of thorns (druid passive) and valeroot (chest). It has a 70% chance to cast ice thorns when hit (having more than 2 totems is always) I don’t think it will kill anyone ever that’s why I don’t have totem weaver (ice thorns skill). I just wanted to utilize all my human skills as a spriggan. I never go to human form except to summon spriggan if it died and desummoned. It’s definately just a flavor thing and could be swapped out for something else.
IMO, there’s two-three different routes you could go which require different idols. You can either go a pure crit build with totem crit idols (your original build), a pure poison/hit damage build with thorn totem on hit idols (my version, though this does require you to be spamming a skill to proc the thorn totems from the idols) or a hybrid with 1 of each idol.
If you’re going the poison route then more totems from the Spined idols would likely be better since more totems = more poison stacks = faster ramp up & a higher cap.
I only considered the cap since that kind of damage is only relevant to bosses, everything else should die relatively fast. Without doing any maths, I’d assume the poison version would be better for bosses while the crit version would be better for clear.
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Nothing else to say you’ve summed up everything so well. I agree completely.
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ok, back to the topic: I just started playing and did a quick test. Jumped in a random zone and have put one totem down in human form: doing 125-300 Hits
Changed to Spriggian form and casted a totem: 25-65 Hits
Whats wrong here?! Is this bugged? I am using the thorn totem skill tree…
Without knowing all the details (gear/passives/etc.) it’s very likely what @Llama8 said, it’s missing 9 base physical damage.
Does Thorn Totem even work with Aspect of the Viper? AotV says “you and your companions” get the buff.
Pretty sure it doesn’t. Companions are minions in terms of what they are affected by, but minions are not companions.
No, totems are not companions.
agree - what ever, many thx to all - respecing to vines and projectile - wish me luck 
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I’ve heard Frostbite Vines are pretty OP currently.
Uhm for the totem poison application… if you recast them on and on you apply more stacks of poison when they “die” (if you skilled the node) then they do with fireing thorns. It’s a bit sad but if you can sustain the mana/rage cost you can stack a lot of stacks that way.
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