there’s a node in forge guard that gives “20% fire penetration with forge strike”
since it doesnt say “forge strike hits” does that fire penetration apply to the ignites it would apply as well?
I don’t think so. ‘Fire Penetration with Ignite’ is its’ own thing.
Well, it’s a more specific thing, like elemental damage over time vs. damage over time. So it might apply to Ignites that Forge Guard applies maybe?
If it is mentioned as part of a skill then you should presume its for the hit with that skill (maybe there are exceptions but most of the examples I have seen it applies to the hit). You should also consider that a skill and the ignite it applies are completely different things, so in this case the fire pen is for the skill and does not apply to the ignite it applies.
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Yeah, that sounds logical.
If a node doesn’t specify that it only applies to a skill’s hits then it generally applies to any ailments as well. This is how ailments inherit relevant skill damage modifiers (% fire damage for ignite, for example).
Since that particular passive doesn’t mention hits, I’d assume it does apply. It should be easy to test though.
Edit: Did some testing offline & yes, it does apply. I was getting 25 damage per tick from an unspec’d Forge Strike from 2 stacks of ignite without the passive & 31 per tick with it (which is 24% more damage but that’s likely the rounding given the low number of stacks & low damage per tick).
That’s not a reasonable assumption. It will apply to the hit, but unless they’ve changed something then non-hit-specific modifiers apply to the skill as a whole & include any non-hit parts. If you have some specific examples we can go through those.
That’s an affix & yes, it’s it’s own thing.
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I stand corrected on being corrected on my correcting. This was basically what I had thought but then the rebuttal also made sense.
Testing is always the best thing.
Thought I must say this does actually highlight how difficulty the deciphering can get with these layers upon layers. That’s not really a complaint or a negative, just a statement that sometimes obtuse is a thing.
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Nice!