Do you realize the astronomical odds of this happening even now? I don’t think that EHG ever intended 4 LP drops for three or four pieces on a character as an end-goal. I mean you can certainly set it for yourself but I don’t think it’s intended.
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Reeks of a similar PR move GGG pulls occasionally where lead dev takes 20 mins of their ‘busy’ day to make a post to appease the angry masses, even more interesting is the 24 hour backflip on a proposed pricing method which has already been nerfed by 50% was able to be approved so fast
If they could afford to charge 50% less why not just do that anyway. Because it was a test to see the acceptance and then roll out a cheaper method, this is all part of the marketing package from tencent if even 60% were generally ok nothing would of changed, even the backup post was planned plus now you also gain the trust of people by being ‘accomodating’ im so sick of these companies/devs pulling these 180’s to try come out better than they were were prior when they caused the issue first
GGG introduces a ‘Salvage box’ to salvage your duplicate MTX to get points back you wasted in the first place, was labeled scummy as fk, GGG removed it and Chris made a post and some people praised them… just like this!
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This would be an absolutely awful move and they would be sued into oblivion if they didn’t refund every EA purchase.
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I bought GW2 full price, it went F2p, GW2 didnt get sued into oblivion.
On what grounds would they be able to sue? if I go into a store and get a 10 dollar sammich, and then next week the place decided they were feeding people who couldnt pay for free would I be able to sue them?
You got a service you paid for, just because its free now means nothing rofl.
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If only this were true. C’mon, man. Not everything is a vast conspiracy. I’m just laughing at the image of the EHG higher-ups sitting in a dark room somewhere, wringing their hands together.
Kain: Wait, wait, even better, let’s make things totally outlandish.
Mike: Right, then we let it sift for a day…
MoxJet2000: and then the next day we take their ideas and say “Oh yeah, we were so wrong, we love what you guys came up with.”
Kain: They’ll think we’re their best friends and we can get more. MOAR I tell you.
GROUP: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Reads like terrible fan fiction is how it reads. I think the only intelligence being insulted is their’s to think that that’s what they would do.
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How long after release did it go F2P? The person I replied to said LE would go F2P on release of 1.0. Up until then the game is in Early Access, you can’t just charge for that and then make it F2P on release.
there we go!
but honestly, why did we have to go through that unpleasantness at all folks?
couldn’t we have started with this? imagine how much further your rep would have gone if you started off with this clear mtx ? 
happy to give u me monies now! 
Why not?
What part of what you paid for says they cant make it f2p?
You paid for access to the game, they did not revoke that. They didnt take anything away from you.
What does time have anything to do with it?
Also uhhh lots of games charge for early access to test builds for F2P games, its not illegal to do this. Just like goodluck proving you own anything when you pay 600 dollars for mtx then get banned.
You can attempt to charge back, but you wont win in court, because you dont own the digital goods you are just paying to access them.
The law is no where near ready to have legal precedent for you paying for some random service access that then went free.
Again, Game you bought a week later gets a price reduction permanently because the company feels they will make better sales that way. What legal ground do you have to be like “they owe me money”
Like what?
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Proof you know nothing about what you’re talking about.
Crazy how the last like 10 responses, (not all of them) have been sort of out of touch and reactionary just for the sake of it.
Few quick notes for other posts I’ve seen –
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EHG is not GGG. The latter may have done something scummy but assuming an entirely separate company is also guilty of doing similar things is just you being pessimistic.
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Even if LE goes free to play in the future, which mind you there’s been nothing to hint toward that, there is still no grounds for suing them. lmao. like what? Do these people have no idea how laws work, or what?
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To the user complaining about a MTX shop being added at all… What? Really? You’ve been registered since 2021 (to this specific user), how is this news to you? The userbase bemoaned and nagged EHG into adding the MTX shop before the full 1.0 release so as to show support and so EHG can iron out the kinks. This situation is one such kink.
The system is working as intended. They got feedback prior to 1.0 and adjusted for it.
I’m just confused… Baffled really, by some of the responses I’ve seen from people who clearly don’t really know what they’re talking about or only did a cursory glance at the news so they could jump into the comments.
EHG is an indie development team. They are not Blizzard. They are also not GGG. People need to stop throwing accusations at EHG due to the negligence and harmful practices of others in the industry.
I’ve seen anchoring. I’ve seen rug-pulls… This doesn’t look or feel like one, though.
These reactionary, aggressive users are also the reason I avoid the Steam Discussions board like the plague. Have you tried looking through an update thread there? It’s literal hell on Earth man.
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You don’t see a difference between a price reduction on an already-released game and making a game F2P on release after charging for early access (not release-quality)? I’d actually be very surprised if Steam even allowed that. Surely if it was kosher there would be examples of it being done already?
Response from a dev. Game was paid EA, then F2P, then made B2P later on.
So yes, its happened before and will continue to happen.
A better example, dying light charged 20 dollars to get access to test versions and early access which then went f2p afterwards.
Lost ark also made you pay to get access to early testing of the game.
edit: looks like dying light didnt stay f2p or maybe never did. All I know is most MMOs have charged for early access on their f2p games for a few years now. edit:2 looks like it was the BR, reading is hard, but not only did they charge for the early access to it, they deleted it from steam later : ^)
Either way, none of these companies or games got sued, because there is no ground to stand on, you are sold a service that they can revoke at any given time which you can try and chargeback if it was recent enough but again GL having them massively sued or any legal action taken.
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This is exactly what happened.
But they were all sitting in their underwear.
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Those are not analogous – both were disclosed to be F2P from the very beginning,. The fact that you would even cite those as examples makes me think you’re not interested in genuine discussion.
LA was listed as F2P from the get go, they still charged for an early access.
You are just moving goal posts and dont know what you are talking about, but go off I guess.
Yeah, but the flip side to that is missing out on something (due to whatever reason) and not being able to ever get it. I had that experience with a league or 2 I missed in POE, and really wanted some of the MTX, but they can no longer be obtained. Sure, it’s a nice stature thing for those who were able to buy/grind the achievement points, but for everyone else, it’s a kick in the nuts…
Both sides of the coin have pros/cons… and I’m not sure either is better than the other. Just throwing it out there.
Not moving the goal posts at all. There is obviously a difference between paying for EA and a founder’s pack/whatever knowing up front that the game will be F2P on release, and paying for EA on a full-priced game and then getting bait-and-switched on release. If LE did it, it would be the latter, and again you can’t point to an example of it happening before.
Thankyou for being proof some people will never be satisfied. Please just go somewhere else if you hate the game so much.
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On what legal grounds?
Consumer law is different country to country. We have some of the stronger consumer laws in the world here in Australia and I cant see any legal recourse if they chose this course of action.
I’d like to see more information about the supporter pack structure and pricing. It feels weird that some packs are more expensive, but they all give the same number of EP. PoE has been the gold standard for supporter pack design, with the cumulative packs representing excellent value. One big drawback of their system, though, is that if the only MTX a player is interested in are in one of the higher tier packs, then the player feels like they have to waste a bunch of money buying a bunch of bundled stuff they don’t want just to get the things they do want. So how about trying a hybrid of these systems that would let players pick and choose while still being able to get good cumulative value from multiple packs?
To illustrate, using example pricing (I have no idea what the ideal pricing structure would be):
$30: The player chooses one of the four packs and gets 150 EP
$57.50: The player chooses two of the four packs and gets 300 EP
$82.50: Three of four packs, 450 EP
$105: All four packs, 600 EP
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What are you smokin? The VAST majority of people couldn’t care less about PvP in an ARPG.
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