80 is too low, thanks a lot

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I absolutely despise arena, but my only arena run in a while a few days back reaffirmed me, that the pure tedium of re doing the first 200-250 waves for a build that can handle 300+ is really demotivating for me.

The very dangerous thing here is: Where do you draw the line? If they add 160 waves, the next ones will demand a wave 200 key, then the next one will demand a wave 250 key.

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I agree that there should be higher wave keys but given you can only get them from not dieing at the appropriate wave.

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then make the keys upgradable; you can upgrade key level at 50, 150, 200, 250, 300

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I would go along with an arena key upgrade path. 5 keys = 80 and 10 keys = 160 or a formula that EHG determines is fair. I have probably 200+ keys, but despise the arena for the very thing that heavy says

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Is that a bad thing though? If youâre wanting a key for higher arenas, itâs likely because your build can handle it. And like you said, itâs tedious when youâre going through waves you can just steamroll.

The problem is, if you at some point put the âhighestâ arena key so close to the top leaderboard, that you literally zerg through and maybe get some lucky waves and brute force yourself onto a high wave.

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or some kind of option/way to

• start at % of highest cleared Wave

maybe 70 or 80 whatever, let them balance numbers

The upgrading idea would hypothetically work around that. Example:

If it takes 5 normal keys to go from 0 to 80 waves and say, 3 golden keys to go from 80 to 160, you could just upgrade to a golden key and use that key if youâre build isnât strong enough for 160 even though you got lucky and cleared it on a previous run.

I think itâd be significantly simpler & less open to abuse to just have higher tier keys. If you could upgrade your normal keys to golden, then golden to a putative higher key, you wouldnât need to run the higher waves & everybody would just start at the higher wave.

Sorry I shouldâve explained more thoroughly. A player should ONLY gain access to combining keys for a higher tier key, IF theyâve cleared that threshold before.

Then that makes it an unlock & the higher tier keys are irrelevant & only serve to clog up your stash. Iâd probably prefer it as an unlock, every X waves you unlock a lower wave that you can start on (so you get to wave 100 & can start on wave 50, wave 150 unlocks wave 100, wave 200 unlocks wave 150, etc). No additional keys required.

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That would work as well. I agree that combining to get new keys would be an unnecessary, tedious process. However EHG has already implemented golden keys, so a logical progression of that would be implementing more higher tier keys. It will be interesting to see where they go with it.

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100% agree with this just vendor him for a upgraded key. At one point I had a whole stash tab full of normal keys

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