Hi,
this is my own personal opinion on the topic of the recent announcement of LE to add paid classes to the game.
I would like to start by saying that your concerns are all valid and I share some of them. Be it about the broken promises, the fear of the paid classes being too OP and p2w, the devs not working on any bugs and/or skills.
My viewpoint is more optimistic though. I know that, without monetization, LE would likely shut down in the near future. They need money to continue developing the game. Yes, I agree that they could also monetize a different aspect of the game, like the expansion. However, I also realize why they donât want to go down that road. They want everyone to have the same amount of content available and not have several stages that have to be unlocked. I guess Iâm not mad about it. I would just like to encourage everyone to keep that in mind. And if you have decided with that consideration, please still keep on reading.
My second point is the time of the release of those paid classes. It was just recently announced and yet, it gave an outlook into the distant future. Season 4 is supposed to go online early next year, and Season 5 I donât know. The point is that the Orobyss expansion and the paid claasses are going to release even further into the future. I believe we should all continue enjoying the game and wait for new announcements on the topic. It is great that the community is trying to make a point. Only that way can we actually change things. However, I would like to remind you that the way until the update is a long one (I guess late 2026?) and many things can happen in the span of a year.
To the devs, if you should be reading this, please refine the game before the update drops. You have received a lot of feedback, negative and positive, and I think you can work off of that. I believe that LE will live on and I will keep on supporting the game.
As a conclusion, I think we could say, that both sides have valid points. Of course in some way this is supposed to influence your opinion. My main focus, however, is to be positive about the future and not let the game die. Since Iâm an avid supporter and enjoyer of the game, I want to spread the message that, yes your criticism is completely okay and valid (why should it not be?), you should be optimistic and wait for future announcements.
Everything was nice and well untill this line. Why should I be optimisitc? Since 0.8 it looks to like EHG is trying to save the ship by drilling more holes in it. Every last piece oh optimism is gone and slowly all hope is crumbled.
I could try to be more optimistic but I would question my sanity doing so.
Then again Iâm happy some people are looking forward to the bright future of EHG and Last Epoch and I wish you all become prophets and everything works out well.
Hi, thank you for your reply.
There is no need for sarcasm. I understand where youâre coming from. Thatâs why I explicitly said itâs my own opinion.
If this wonât change your mind, itâs okay. I wrote this to get it off my chest.
I agree, that there are many problems with the game. Thatâs why I specified that the devs should refine the game.
Also, if I compare the price of LE to other entertainment options and subscrption models of platforms like netflix, I get more value and fun out of LE. Thatâs why Iâm optimistic.
You donât have to change your mind after reading this and it wasnât my intention.
I just want to wait for further announcements and see if LE will change their approach or continue their path.
I tried to be on neutral ground and give credit to both sides.
Iâm not sarcastic here. Everything I wrote is meant the way it is.
And thatâs a good thing do.
Yeah but you repeat what was mildly suggested since years and is now shouted from the rooftops. Thatâs why some people are angry because the wishes for refinement were unheared.
Thatâs awesome for you. A friend of mine plays chess 24/7 and he got his board as a present but Iâm still not optimistic about my chess skills and enjoyment I get from it .
Yeah but then again why on earth should I be optimistic. It would be nice if I could be. It would be nice if all the doom and gloom sayers are completely wrong. It would be nice if Last Epoch becomes the best H&S game there is. I just donât see any indicators why I should.
And this is a good thing to do I just question the choice of words in the end because I donât think I should be optimistic about something I canât anymore for objective and subjective reasons.
BTW maybe I miss something here completely and I asked google and some different language sites just to be save but there is still a slim chance I missed something as a non native speaker .
Sorry if I misunderstood. Your last sentence there just sounded sarcastic to me.
And thatâs why I think the outrage can also be considered a good thing. Because the devs will hopefully change things once they realize theyâll lose a big portion of their player base if they donât.
The more you play, the better youâll get and the more fun itâll be. Or maybe you can find something else that is enjoyable for you and that you can play that much. Good luck in that case.
Good point. I believe, since we have just gotten vague information on future updates, that the devs can still change their trajectory. Thatâs also what I mentioned above. The players are angry at the devs and are so loud, that theyâll change something. And thereâs, for me, no reason to give up hope yet, as I still find the game enjoyable and the future is apparently still not certain.
If this is a reason for you to be optimistic, nice. If not, then thatâs your decision.
You can see good and bad things in everything. And I might just be someone who looks at these things more optimistically.
Plus, I wouldnât want LE to shut down because they donât have any money.
Nope, I donât think you do. The phrasing was just like an appeal to the reader to wait, since the update will only release in probably like a year. For announcements or anything.
I see, someone who is very optimistic. Thatâs refreshing to see. I also canât wait for new content.
I just wouldnât describe the others as you did. I think some of their concers do have some gravity to them and the game could be improved by listening to them too.
But yeah, great to see you also have fun playing and also donât want the game to shut down because of monetary issues.
No problem it could be interpreted this way but Iâm realy happy for. Iâm not the center of the universe and I wish people to be happy and have fun on a base line.
This kind of outrage is there again and again in nicer forms up to this point where it boils over and nothing happened. I donât know if you were arround when the whole trading descussion exploded and two opposite sides of a spectrum told each other what is right or not and if EHG should be held accountable to their kickstarter. It was a bit of a battlefield back then and I donât understand why things need to be that explosive untill EHG is doing anything.
Thatâs the point you made there. Chess isnât for me so I do something else. Iâm still intrested an invested to chess so and have an oppinion about it I share. Same goes for LE. Sadly I realy want to enjoy LE but EHG doing a hell of a job that made me dislike LE.
Okay so maybe this boils down to me beeing an optimist with experience .
I think everyone involved here, no matter how much they vent, is invested and want LE to be playable. If not they wouldnât be here or interact in whatever way they do. It needs something you value to spark some emotions or to bring you to a forum of a game to speak your mind.
As I said in another thread. Noone is indifferent here but passions takes different forms and sometimes sounds like an insult while still beeing passion.
So bottom Line I realy wish LE will become a good game again an sucsessfull and I will be the first to say âI was wrong and Iâm so happy about it!â.
What makes now different action-wise? Besides the severty of the situation. If the leadership is unable to steer into the right direction and - as we know for the moment at least - is supposed to keep steering freely though⌠what does make anyone think theyâll now change course despite not doing so at all the demands before?
Sure⌠they could, and I hope they do! But thinking it as the likely outcome? That just doesnât seem realistic.
Games and series/movies are distinctly different entertainment media though.
Because by those parameters I can say buying a chessboard is one of the best investments in entertainment you can ever make because itâll provide you with hundreds to thousands of hours of engagement easily.
By that logic no movie or series couldâve ever been successful.
They simply cater to different interests and needs for the form of entertainment.
I can definitely gesture over to some games though which provide a top-tier experience, feel complete and are qualitative top-tier vastly beyond what LE offers.
I always accepted it being the first project of EHG⌠but plainly spoken? Stardew Valley is also the first commercial project of the programmer and wildly successful. As example. Or Hollow Knight.
Heck⌠even Larian studios (Baldurâs Gate 3) was wildly successful with their first title back in 1997 which was called âL.E.D. Warsâ, basically the hardest AI back in the day for the genre, which was the selling point.
As overall:
Iâm simply curious about the answer to the first one, the second is just one of my common novels of explanation and discussion
Hmm. Maybe due to a more severe backlash? But yeah, of course we canât know for sure. That doesnât mean I should give up hope though.
Hahaha. Thatâs true. Itâs just that I do compare the value of the two and games win when I do.
In case of the other games, I do not own that many games and watch content for mostly the ones I do play. So I canât say that much about it. Good to know though.
I donât think I was playing when that happened. I think I would remember. And yeah, EHG should act sooner for sure. They get a constant flow of feedback about the game, so they should be able to improve these things.
Understandable. I hope youâll come to enjoy it again. Sometimes taking a break is the best thing to do. I also had to take some breaks in some other games, because I just wasnât getting the fun out of it. And when I came back, it was more enjoyable again.
xD
Yes, I think this is a very good point. I believe people can only get worked up about something that they care about. I agree. Thatâs also why every opinion here is valid (besides maybe some real trolls, but I fortunately havenât encountered them yet). Because we all care about the game.
Well, they did change course about mastery respecs. It went from âno way in hell, mastery is part of your class choiceâ to And do you remember when shards used to go straight into your inventory & you had to manually click the âtransfer buttonâ to move them to your crafting stash? And even further back they couldnât possibly do +skill affixes, it was impossible (until it wasnât). And they changed the crafting to the current mechanics because people didnât like how shattering an item felt. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they made respeccing skills way easier than before (minimum skill levels, accelerated xp based on skill versus character level), aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they switched from protections to resistances because it was confusing people.
So EHG changing course is a more frequent an occurence than you may think.
I think we have too much detruistic fan-boyism in all the ARPG players. Theyâd rather see the other games fail and cease to exist than to have competition, not recognising that it elevates the entire genre altogether. We seen this with âD4Badâ, we seen this with PoE2 0.2. Now we see this in LE.
The obvious problem to me is the following. We told the mback in the day their game was not ready at all. Bug riddled, incomplete with some performence hickups and whatever. They released anyway and everyone sadi⌠welp maybe they need money badly but itâll fine!
They are so far behind at everything they should do, that needs to be done and to incorporate feedback. Thatâs why things boil up more and more. Well I think thatâs a reason to be fair, thatâs no absolute i can proove.
I guess people are fed up at this point and we are beyond acting sooner because for some people who are arround for a longer it time soon was years ago.
Non the less Iâm pretty sure noone would be mad if they say they messed up, they work on x, y and z. They need money for it and have to do things to reach their goals. From my experinces with the community arround here, no matter how rude, impatient, nasty or stupid some are, or I am, everyone always respected when people said âI messed up Iâm sorry.â. Even the biggest brainfarts, and I did some of them , were forgiven or cleared up and things moved on most of the times iwth likes on the posts when people owned their errors.
Why is EHG unable to do so? To me this implies everything is going according to plan and nothing noteworthy happened and everything is fine.
I do so as well. If not I wouldâve been gone and never looked back and became completely indifferent about LE.
Amen
I think fanboyism is inherently bad but itâs a hard thing to objectivly look at. You have a lot of people who like product A because of reason Z while person B is hating it because of reason Y. the problem is⌠noone is wrong. I allow people to have fun and to enjoy stuff they like and I allow people to pissed and to be angry about stuff. Both ends of this spectrum can hold important truths the people who made the Stuff people talk about should know and work with.
I have issue with fanboyâism of product A going out his way to only hate on B to make A look better instead of directly promiting the good things of A. Itâs weak and bad character trait driven either by fear or arrogance.
WE used to have a more polished product but the last 2 seasons have been bug ridden messes. EHG has mismanaged themselves into a position they had to sell out to the worst company in gaming. Krafton is an absolute tyrant and AI slop seller. They cant be trusted as Subnautica 2 mess proved. The CEO using AI to screw over devs on purpose as proven in court. Krafton is an abomination and needs to go bankrupt. LE had their fate sealed when they sold their souls to Krafton.
What LE should have done is not promised a live service model, fixed their bad shop [MTX doesnt pop] and doesnt sell enough, and taken a more measured and cautious approach by keeping costs in line.
I donât know. Isnât it a human thing? I look at football fans here in germany (soccer depending where you are from ^^) and they praise club A without reason and if you say club b is obviously and statisticly better the go mad. Same is going on for fans of games. I even know people who defend the autoplay feature for WoW because itâs new and QoL and whatnot no matter how stupid it is.
I like stuff about allmost every H&S game out there and I dislike stuff about every H&S game out there. Iâm happy with a game that is 70% fun 30% that makes me do what needs to be done to get somewhere. Thatâs highly subjective but I was never a âxyzBadâ kind of person. For example I dislike Arc Raiders. To me the whole concept is completely stupid and I canât understand why anyone want to play that game. Then again I understand and say Arc Raiders is right now one of the better entrys in the genre. I dropped where winds meet in about 60 minutes and knew itâs not to my liking for a lot of reasons but I still understand itâs one of the better games in the genre.
Itâs kind of hard for some to aknowledge other things are qualy good or bad then things they hold dearly and close to thier heart. It took me years to come to a point when I said âIâm done with WoW this game went from awesome to crap in a few addons and I play it because Iâm used to play it to kill time.â. My guild mates were shocked when I came to my conclusion and we had an hour long debate why things I pesonaly disliked are not dislikeable at all and make no sense. At this they I felt like I finaly broke free from a cult .
When? LE was always a bug ridden mess. Since more people play it the feedback simply became more obvious and the frustration is rising.
It couldâve been UbisoftâŚ
EHG devs canât be trusted as well as theyâve shown again and again. Birds of a feather flock togheter iircâŚ
A No Manâs Sky could be possible because even No Manâs Sky did it if I had to come up with a motivational quote.
Well most of this was told to them for years. There is a reason why I said the game went mostly downhill since 0.8 ish.
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And do you remember when shards used to go straight into your inventory & you had to manually click the âtransfer buttonâ to move them to your crafting stash? And even further back they couldnât possibly do +skill affixes, it was impossible (until it wasnât). And they changed the crafting to the current mechanics because people didnât like how shattering an item felt. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they made respeccing skills way easier than before (minimum skill levels, accelerated xp based on skill versus character level), aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand they switched from protections to resistances because it was confusing people.
, were forgiven or cleared up and things moved on most of the times iwth likes on the posts when people owned their errors.