I don’t know if it is actually the case or if it is just a statistical anomaly.
From my limited sample size it definitely feels like it.
I beat Aberroth just a couple of times and got 3 Nihilis out ot it. In all the shades that I beat since 1.1 (all above 200c, obviously) none dropped an omnis.
That should just be RNG being RNG. Both have a similar drop rate (15% for omnis, 14.29% for Nihilis). And omnis should have better drop rates with higher corruption, which I don’t think nihilis does.
The Aberroth encounter has no corruption, it is outside of the monoliths, so the droprate is fixed ( times 2.5 for CoF players).
It is also possible that the CoF droprate buff does not work on omnis for some reason.
Since the patch, I have so many rings, it’s ridiculous.
Each shade usually drops between 2 and 3 of the damn things.
But the other drops of shade do not feel more common than they were before the patch.
Even if there’s some bug and the CoF bonus doesn’t apply, you should expect to see one every 7 200c+ shades, on average. You might have some bad RNG, but it shouldn’t be that hard to drop.
I believe the chance for rare uniques increases for shade nodes further away from the center. This is a kinda outdated design now IMO since you can get corruption faster just spamming needles(and the final FG faction bonus) and killing a nearby shade using the gaze of orobyss.
I think they should change it so Gaze of Orobyss influences the chance for uniques rather than how far the shade node is from the center. As these uniques are as you said more difficult to farm than Aberroth uniques.
flashbacks to my “I should have statistically seen 5 of these by now” dry spell with The Madstone in D3
I calculated that I spent roughly 13,000 Bloodshards gambling for spirit stones + the GRift grind FOR the bloodshards to gamble with. And based on the spreadsheet for estimated drop rates, I should have seen at least one Madstone per 3k Bloodshards or something like that. My friend rolls a monk, gets it to 70, gambles the 75 (or whatever) Bloodshards for a spirit stone. It’s a damn Madstone. I literally Alt+F4’d
RNG is a cruel mistress
Unfortunately I do not remember the exact number of shades I did, I would be curious to see the probability of not getting an omnis in that many attempts.
I can tell you that the chance of not getting one in 20 attempts is 3%, so well within the realm of normal distribution. Unlucky, but not that uncommon considering the total number of players.
Even 30 would be 0.7% chance, so something that might still happen to a few people.
This is all assuming base 200c and 15% chance, of course.
The drop rates of both of these items are very hard to compare, because Aberroth has no external modifiers to drop rate or difficulty.
While Shade has multiple axis of scaling:
Especially the 3rd one with the %inc item rarity has gotten a lot less substantial since the latest changes that made modifiers last only 3 echoes maxium so you can only stack 2 modifiers onto the bosses.
But both corruption and distance from the starting point are both huuuge contributers to the chance of the non guaranteed drops (Apathy’s Maw, Shattered Chains and Omnis).
I do think that on deep Shades (12+ Corruption gain) the drop rate for Omnis is actually pretty much similar to Aberroth’s Nihilis.
But a lot people that chain farming Shades often fight the first Shades they encounter and thus reducing their own chances significantly.
Overall unlocking a 12+ Shade does take longer than farming a few Timeline bosses and drop a Harbigners Eye so Aberroth is significantly easier to access as well.
So I do think the drop rates are very similar, but accessability to the bosses is just very different.
If you account for the CoF buff it is actually 7.5(more digits) e-7, still possible but definitely unlikely (calculation with 15% drop rate * 2.5 with 30 attempts).
Unfortunately I do not remember how many attempts I made. I don’t think I did 30, probably closer to 20 (which would put the probability to e-5), but this is the reason I was curious to know, I just like to crunch the numbers.
An omnis at this point does not matter to me at all. I already have a nilhis that is better than any omnis I might want to use.