Multiplayer Progress Update - November 2021

That kind of logic makes sense right up until judges start saying that things like freedom of speech trump any ToS, which given how laws tend to only come up AFTER people start doing something fucked up(and there is a lot of that when it comes to ToS abuse, also property laws have yet to catch up to digital media) - it is a good idea not to be found on the bad side of it when the law changes.

I do not think that a policy should be made a thing if it can easily be abused should the banhammer change hands due to the employee in question needing to be replaced or something(ehg may be good now, but best to future proof things just in case). The rules NEED to be CLEARLY defined to prevent abuse.

FYI, Freedom of Speech only applies to the government, not a private entity (like EHG). I see people getting that wrong all the time.

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Yes. MP is at least 5-6 months away.
But even then it’s just the same old MP feature like any other arpg (simple HP and dmg buffs to monsters).
Meaning it will be even more easier in this mode than solo play.

Not sure if EHG has any new and fresh ideas for MP but if it’s the old 2 decades old formula it will get old pretty fast.

Introduce new monster types in MP, new monster abilities or some random enviromental effects, etc. Anything that will make MP experience different than solo. It does not have to be OP but at least some new flavour when engaging in group. Otherwise multiplayer will be mostly untouched.

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EGH clearly stated multiple times, that they don’t want to gate any content behind MP.
(Mob types, abilities and environmental effects would count as “content” I guess)

They also don’t want to lock content behind necessary party play.

The game is supposed to be fully enjoyable and playable as a solo experience.

While I see where you are coming from, I think it’s very good, that you can experience everything while playing solo and MP/Coop is just optional on top.

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I need to feel special playing MP and laugh at inferior single players who have no friends.

Sounds like a convenient excuse for tyranny

EHG can’t impose tyranny, its a game company. :smiley:

I meant bonus or better to say flavour effects that gives MP more reason to exist than SP and not gated (or more weighted) content like new bosses,dungeon,zones or items.

Mainly stuff for the challenge when making a group.

Like for example you see sometimes spawning a big hydra monster or something with the same loot table as SP but gives MP a bit more challenge and reason to exist.
Or an area wide void tornado with mini twisters, etc, i think you get the idea.

This technology will likely be used for the leagues they are intend to introduce after launch, but in this case also for non-league players ,in a slimmed down version, to have something to play around.

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What about youtube? twitter? what about all the other companies that abuse their ToS to fuck over customers? What about the fact that the law changes and may very well make certain kinds of ToS abuse illegal?(which it already DOES, as local law nullifies many sections of ToS based on country)

I tire of the “its a private company” excuse, private companies do not have the power to break the law.

If you come into my house and say the word “mustard” I can ban you from my house. You have 0 legal recourse. A company’s property (including electronic property) is 100% identical.

In fact, a private company can ban you at will, they don’t even need a ToS, nor do they need to somehow prove you broke the ToS. No law (at least here in the U.S. - can’t speak for other countries) can override the private company’s 1st Amendment right. And yes, it is sort of ironic that the 1st Amendment is what protects the company when they ban someone.

Indeed they don’t, they also aren’t required to obey laws (the US first amendment) that bind one specific government (the US government) from ####ing over it’s citizens. Granted I’m not a lawyer, especially one specialising in US constitutional law, but I’d think that “Congress shall make no law…” prohibits Congress, not companies. I know they start with the same letter, but they are different.

And yes, just because something is in a ToS/EULA, doesn’t make it legally binding. But that’s not what Zaodon said.

The entire U.S. Constitution is a set of restrictions placed on the Government as to how it can interact with citizens. The 1st Amendment doesn’t give you Free Speech, it prevents the government from infringing on the Free Speech you already have. The 2nd Amendment does not grant you the right to bear arms, it prevents the government from infringing on that right. Etc, etc, etc. U.S. citizens almost always misunderstand what the Constitution actually is. I blame the lack of mandatory civics courses in U.S. schools.

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Or being a dirty foreigner like myself, which I feel is an acceptable reason.

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Fixed text. :slight_smile:

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To be able to play with friends and share fun and emotions with them as you find a new piece of gear or die due to your stupid mistake, for example, is enough a reason for me. It is what makes MP a valueble experience.

I remember when people thought that Anthem had stuff like enemies getting new/additional skills on higher difficulty. It wasn’t in the game unfortunately, but people got really excited.

Stuff like this are the gamers wet dream. But I’m not sure if this isn’t a bit to big for a company like EHG. There’s so much to do to get the “normal” multiplayer group play things going smoothly.

Maybe we can hope for things like this in the future.

@EHG_Stanzwar
I know loot is going to be instanced. Will gear drops roll completely independent for all characters? Or is the drop or the rarity of items an enemy dropped the same for everybody in the group, just we can’t see each others loot. What I mean is: If an enemy drops a unique, will this unique drop for everybody in the group? Or will it be that just the unique drop rolled collectively, but everybody in the group has a different item?

I was just thinking about stuff that happened in other games. Your group splits up, the others encounter a rare mob that drops a unique and they call you “Guys, come here. It’s a unique drop. Come collect yours!”

Do we need to be in a certain range when an enemy dies to have loot dropping for us at all?

So what happens when corporations en mass violate freedom of speech because of backroom deals with members of the government cough(twitter)couch? Letting corpos get away with violating freedom of speech just sounds like a workaround to me. With consequences that should not be underestimated

I guess it would probably depend on how firmly attached your tin foil hat is. If you believe there’s a massive conspiracy then you’re probably ####ed. If you don’t then I’d assume that’s for the courts or so.e other form of arbitration to deal with.

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I fully agree. I rather have a good game after waiting a long time then a new Wolcen.
Maybe iam old fashioned, but i think most games release way to soon nowadays.
Back in the 2000’s the games were really good (in my opinion), partly because they made sure it was done.

They were also significantly cheaper to develop which means less risk.

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