The MG ranking is terrible, a friend has been playing from release and is still not even rank 6. CoF is raining loot, which makes it an easy mode also, is like playing D3 or worse. MG is hard mode now, nobody is selling anything decent so is pretty much dead.
As much as people like no trading, well it gets boring after a week. It seems like we are just gonna play a week of new seasons and back to POE with actual trading, that can keep me and friends hooked for at least 2 months per league.
Eventually players will realize the ranking up isnāt the tough part of the grind, its farming enough favor so you can buy and sell exalted and lp uniques.
Itās like 20k favor for lp3 and 28k for lp4ā¦and 4k for any T7 exalted and like 6400 favor if you are trying to an experimental affix.
this is perfect no?
Not sure how fun is to have like 10 plus unique drops per boss kill. Of course people right now are all happy about this loot rain in CoF. But how long is fun playing like this, 5 days, a week?
I guess to each their own, but we will see soon by the number of players how fun it is.
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Agreed. Iām CoF but th2 grind here is also way too much.
Should be reduced by 70% from 5 onwards overall. Would still keep them RMT idiots at bay.
Reading from in game chat, this game has already more gold spam then most games I played. Not sure how is this fighting RMT, this is just restricting players.
The thing is from said drops you only pick the ones worthwhile. These get less and less so itās not always 38 unique drops per exiled mage as an example but 2-3 items are worthwhile of those.
While itās fun to have this kind of lootsplosion Iām back in āOh great a lot of crap items droped because I cant Lootfilter LP!ā.
Better for them to start low and work up to a good balance, then startt to high amd get even more backlash when they nerf. Also, thanks for your concern but I think a lot of casuals are playing CoF. I tjought I would go trade ffirst but decided against it.
The season will go on for a few months. The game launched 10 days ago.
Welcome to reputation grinds. 100 hours isnāt a lot.
100 hours to trade items you start getting after 10 hours (Exhalted) is quite a bit for people that play only a few hours a day. That is more than half the season just to trade purple items.
Not everyone logs 100 hours in 10 days 
Yes the game launched 10 days ago, and the trade is already dead, oh wait, it was never alive, with all the restrictions and no loot, and the CoF is to boring with all the loot explosions.
100% agree. Iām level 99 and still not unlocked stage 8. Pretty lame trading system. Basically calling it quits since I am not going to switch and regrind the season.
Yeah after reading what everyone else is saying, when i mention its 100hours i was referring to it getting to rank 7 or 8 minimum for most optimizer min maxer and no lifer thatās micro managed the game to same level they treat PoE aka the hardcore ARPG player, the truth of the matter you looking at 130 hours or more for a none casual and 160 or 200 hours for a casual just to be able trade.
The reason why trade is garbage is because no one is able buy anything, only the top hardcore players are able buy things, the average gamer, the casual are all gate keeped out of buying anything, they so focus on gambling away there favor in order to rep grind and most wonāt see the light of day being able buy LP.
The burn out will begin moment they hit rank 6, by then when just start get access to something they could buy, they already got some LP gear, already got exalted items that are better or comparable, so it defeats the purpose, whole point of trade is to buy and sell, but when only 5% population is buying and 95% is selling(thatās why there so much garbage on MG), and 90% are unable buy anything and the other 5% is at rank 6 you have a major economy issue.
The 90% players that are MG and casual is exactly the people you wanna be able sell to, people that not got 200hours to dump into grinding rep but still wanna have fun playing there build that requires some Unique gear.
The issue is clear here the reputation amount you getting is not enough for MG to be functional for its intended purpose and thatās to buy and sell, even with 20% more points of rep we get wouldnāt be enough or fast enough to fight the burnout, by time burn out sits or kicks in, this is roughly 100hour mark for a game, after 100 or so hours players tend to drop off in terms of āhours playedā.
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I play CoF but I fully agree that the reputation requirement is WAY overtuned.
Needs reduction by 70% from rank 5 onwards.
Also I fully understand that it is much worse for MG because it practically makes the market dysfunctional and also the current system causes what is called a āperverse incentiveā to throw highly valuable items for 0 gold on the market.
Great word choice āperverse incentiveā sorry for whole multi para but i felt like i needed to clarify when i mentioned 100hours, and why it was an issue and how it effects the economy of the game and MG.
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Thereās no incentive to put items for 0 gold on the market. The fact that players continue to fail to understand this is the main reason thereās a problem.
ANY spending of favor in ANY way will give you the reputation.
If you buy yellow items to blow up for shards, you gain reputation.
If you buy items to further your progression, you gain reputation.
If you list any item for any price, you gain the reputation when you LIST it.
Thereās zero benefit to listing for 0 gold unless you are trying to soft trade the item to a friend via timed sniping.
Donāt think anyone is soft trading, its simply because MG is bad, people just have all this junk they wanna throw off, makes no sense to soft trade to a friend to get rep, when you can just trade directly to them, its a issue caused by the rep grind, many people have not figured out that they can gamba there favor, so they just selling 1 LP unique and all for 0 because no one is able buy it, only hardcore people that have enough rep able to buy it and they far few in-between, so you left with people who dont know gamba and want favor and understand average person cannot buy anything other then rare items, so outcome is 0 gold LPs and junk items trying get favor.
Well said, if it is going to be this much of a grind, should be a once a year thing, so maybe once every 4 seasons, and it should carry over
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Thereās many things wrong with this statement. People are making the donation argument because they donāt understand buying and selling. 80% of the gear Iāve purchased and sold has been from Rank 1-4. Virtually all the progress Iāve made have been solely through rank 1-4.
This is the equivalent of quantifying āspam clicking rerollā for prophecies because its a way to spend your favor efficiently. You could interact with the systems in the game instead and spend your favor just as easily.
Gambling is also a wasteful way to use up favor. You could instead progress your character. You are making it seem like full blown LP 4 GG legendaries are the only way to progress. Itās completely baffling.
You are making an argument against rank 8 being unattainable but you donāt even take advantage of the countless benefits of rank 1, 2, 3 or 4. Itās frustrating to read someone be so contemptous of the system and everyone else participating in it while simultaneously oblivious of the system itself.
Iāve reaped the benefits of rank 1 through 4 much more than I have rank 8. Itās not even close. I would also like to reiterate that gambling is also very bad for the player doing it and bad for everyone else who sees precious favor being wasted.
TLDR - Please stop wasting your precious favor. If you think rank 8 is a roadblock, just wait till you realize how much of that favor you wasted is needed to buy these uniques youāve been sabotaging yourself to acquire.
You on copium its that simple, i seen your other post on feedback section and i think many things you said are intellectually dishonest.
I made the argument that grind is too long, and that burn out is real and that clearly market is not working due to how reputation grind is gate-keeping it to function correctly, any excuses beyond that are just copium, the proof is in the market, i can open the mg on any vendor and see 0 gold 1 LP gear blocked by rank, and iām well into lvl95+ with level 81 alt and thatās a the issue, those items shouldnāt be 0 GP, but they are and thatās because no one is able buy them, its called supply and demand economics 101, too much supply and the demand blocked by rank and rep and i see hundred of exact same item with 1 or 2 LP that have cheap gold or 0 gold.
Just because āYOUā bought 80% of your gear from rank 1-4 doesnāt mean crap when current market validates what i said, and if buying 80% from rank 1 to 4, then clearly your not buying anything worth while or your characters gear must be horrible.
By time most people get to rank 4 they getting exalted gear and have no real reason to use MG, because most of the crap on there that was upgrade was rank blocked and they are able craft better crap then any of rank 1 to 4 stuff through just basic monoās.
level 55 Mono is dropping better crap to craft on and uniques some with 1LP then the 1 to 4 ranks
Rank 6 is when you can buy something that you can use if you been unlucky with weapons, but most times by time you reach that rank, you got a T6 /T7 exalted weapon with all correct prefix and suffix you wanted, again defeating the purpose of using the market other then to dump hoarding of uniques and exalted gear that you accumulated.
I repeat no one is able buy 1LP gear without reaching rank 8, and there is whole lot of 1LP uniques dropping and 2 LPs ect with no market to sell to its been 10+ days and market it still stale then expired bread left in the sun for 12 days.
Plus there is lack of people who even reach rank 6 with MG even still to this day, and donāt be looking at twitch streamers as example of a casual person progress, this has created a small market to be able sell to, too many items not enough people to sell to.
So if thats not an issue then i guess the sun doesnāt exist.