Maces :D

EDIT - what I want to say is “Please add more maces, there are 8 more axes and 16 more swords and I don’t really think the current options are great for melee/sentinel and lack some of the love that axes and swords get. In comparison they seem a bit lacking”

I actually do disagree alot with this, there are some amazing Maces out there, really build defining and interesting ones as well.

Shadow Beacon, Nest of Nightmares (new with 1.3), Storm Breaker (just got a pretty cool buff/change) and Event Horizon.

It is funny htat you mention this one specifcially, because Evenz Horizon is absolutely cracked. You can do crazy things with that. ES, Forged Strike, Smelter Wrath’s can do 7 digit damage with that.

You mean 1.2. 1.3 will be next season. :stuck_out_tongue:

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@Heavy can you link me to a video of someone killing abberoth really quickly with event horizon that isnt a shield bash build? I googled and couldnt find any.

Shadowbeacon ANOTHER void melee weapon that wouldnt get picked over World Splitter or a max roll void melee + attack speed Clotho ANY DAY.

Nest is great but 1 handed mace build clearing end game using melee attacks?

I don’t get why you would disagree for wanting MORE items in the game it seems really weird…

PS 7 digits isn’t that much anymore guys be doing 30+ million and more this season lol and you still have the attack / movement debuff not sure how you work around that other than shield bash since it uses the shield x
PPS I am definitely open to seeing your mace builds that you have if you can link me to your LE tools setups! I feel as though sometimes I complain then people pop up and show me shit I couldn’t find on google so please please PLEASE I am running out of build ideas would love to see more!

Thank you love you but I also wanna see more items

Also there are 7 x 2H maces, 10 Axes, 14 swords and 5 x 1 handed maces, 10 axes and 14 swords,

12 vs 20 vs 28 - needs balancing :stuck_out_tongue:

I can’t link any other sources, because I am not interested in what other people are doing and thus don’t know if there are even videos that could be linked.

But I killed Aberroth on 1.1 with Event Horizon as my First Character on SAF CoF. I don’t think I have a VoD or recording from my stream anymore unfortunately.

Noteably in 1.1 Sentinel was quite a lot weaker in 1.1, but my ES Void Knight had him on farm, grinding for those 2LP+ Nihilis.

Both of the Weapons you named are for entirely different builds, Shadow Beacon is not a pure Melee Weapon, it is a Hybrid/Caster Weapon, so you need to build differently around it.
I played Shadow Beacon as my first Character on 1.2 and beat Aberroth easily. Build was ES Void Beams + Devouring Orb DoT Damage. I think that VoD is also no longer online.

If you really want I could upload a kill realy quick for both my 1.1 Event Horizon and my 1.2 Shadow Beacon build, but that will take me a day or so until I am home and have time.

I disagreed because the examples that you gave are not what you say they are. You don’t like them or find them exciting, that is fair.
But fro mmy experience there are amazing and cool items already.

I never argued against getting more. I love getting more stuff, always.

If you compare anything to the very top outliers 98% of all items and builds suck compared to them. That doesn’t make them bad though.

I have not played Event Horizon in 1.2, but it will be landslides better than 1.1, because a) VK got Buffed quite a bit and b) the 1 guaranteed affix for legendary crafting is insane for an item like that. Event Horizon is one of the items with the lowest LP chance of all Uniques (Top 3 rarest LP chance from all unique items)

That is fair, I can link you a video and/or build planner when I am home (currently I am on a trip).

But just because you don’t find anything via google doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, especially nowadays, when peopel really just focus on the crazy top meta stuff all the other cool stuff gets lost more often then not and doesn’t get any attention.

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I agree maces are underrepresented :slight_smile: Are they weak? IDK, never played them. Still so much to try! :vulcan_salute:

@Heavy I probably should have specified my liking for melee/sentinel but wouldn’t mind a 2H mace for Primalist either but thats a weird class based on the dude himself but the playstyle around summons… ANYWAYS could you please tell me how did you counteract the insane attack speed debuffs and movespeed debuffs with eventhorizon and also how did you get around the mana issue with not using a WS adding 30-50% more mana? It’s hard enough with 800+ mana, need like 1200 to hit the sweet spot and I’m curious how you got that as I would fricking froth to be able to use the event (great movie) as a melee tool and not move at the speed of the sunken titanic

I know a lot of people don’t upload videos but a LOT of them do and google has 10000s and to not find one at all with the weapon in question makes me think it’s not viable - you can find plenty of it with shield bash, such a waste tho. I also have at least 2 x events in my stash with lp1 and very high pen/movespeed rolls so even adding 1 x T7 if you have a work around would be great as I have some wicked maces.

PS - Oh I wrote all this then saw you’re on a trip! Yeah man, when you’re home I’d love the build planner! cbf editing lol <3

Frenzy suffix on boots is good to overcome speed attack debuff. I use it quite often on 2h specs with Forge Guards using shields.

One example of use in a build:

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He was talking about the X% less attack speed and movement speed from Time Dilation from Event Horizon, that is up to 50% less attack speed and movement speed, this makes it very sluggish to play if you don’t play around it.

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Primalist is not all about summons, that is one of many archetypes.

Funny enough Primalist is pobably the best class to use Event Horizon on actually.
Upheaval has a node that makes it not scale with Attack Speed, this also removes the negative debuff from Time Dilation. I am personally not a big Primalist Fan and havn’t pushed it really, but I did play a second Character on 1.1 as a Beastmaster Physical Upheaval Fury Leap using Event Horizon and Flight of Quetzeri. Was quite fun on 100-200 corruption but I lost interest before really pushing the build. And Earthquake for Bosses could do some serious damage as well. Upheaval can do massive damage and quite ok dps with the No Attack Speed Scaling Node and has very good clear with the 7 Line Star Pattern and get triggered on Fury Leap.

Sorry hopefully this doesn’t comes across rude, but your mindset is a little bit to narrow here. I don’t know how many people I talked to that automatically gravitate towards the flavor of the patch meta builds, its kinda funny, sad and annoying at the same time.

Why do you think I am playing Max Mana Stacking? Because there are not 8 different ways to play Erasing Strike? I am not sure why people always think there is only one build for a given skill. Funny enough the Max Mana stacking ES could be done before 1.2 already and yet I heard nobody talking about it before and now with 1.2 all of the sudden everybody thinks that this is the only ES build.

There are so many different ways to build ES and I did them all very successfully (400-600 corruption and beating Aberroth)

LE is one of the best ARPG’s when it comes to variety within a given Skill/Archetype and yet people always think there is only that one build per skill.
When people talk about a skill or build in discord, ingame chat or here on the forum they always talk like there is only that one build.
This really does not do LE justice.

Sorry for the rant, not directly targeted at this topic at hand, but I had so many people over the last few days that did the same thing you did and I am mildly annoyed.

You know you can remove Time Dilation with a evade? That debuff does not need to make you slow if you don’t want to. If you do regular dodges between attacks and only get 2-4 stacks the debfuf is quite unnoticable.

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Yeah but this is the item design to play around it so I give him possible solution… maybe there are more options certain rings etc. Whats the problem with it? I dont see any :slight_smile:

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Well I would argue the item is designed to not really play a build that cares for attack speed at all. The less attack speed really makes investing into attack speed almost wasted, depending on the skill and build you use.

You are better of juggling the correct amount of stacks and not care for attack speed at all.

Heavy I’m a pretty mid level player, I’m 48 years old and love this game my ES guy only had 800 mana but I was running 1100 corruption and farming abby as well. My phys jav guy ran about 1000 as well and was doing sub 20 second kills on Abby. I used builds done by Volca because I’m a realist and I don’t understand a lot of the synergies in this game or Path of Exile which Ive done for over a decade. I don’t think I’m narrow minded in my assumption I was purely basing it off the fact if you’re playing ES you’re more than likely using echos and if you are then you’re chewing mana and if you are then you need lots of mana - thats really not narrow minded at all. I’m online about 10 hours a day as I own my own business and can play as much as I want. I see 100s of people chatting about their builds and not ONCE in the last 700 hours have I seen someone say they don’t stack mana for ES soooo no, you didn’t come across as rude at all but I also didn’t sound narrow minded.

A lot of what I say on the forums comes from hours and hours online as well as googling for days reading forums and reddit to look at build guides, discussions and videos. Not all meta, I love off meta and mess round with my own builds all the time as well, some have done abby some not.

I think this entire thread should probably just read “Could you add some more maces” because once again it’s turned into a huge discussion with 2 people giving their own SINGLE points of view. I was giving feed back “Hey guys I dont like the lack of maces or the ones you have I dont think they function that well for sentinel / melee builds” and then you coming in “Hey Don, I’ve done pretty well with the mace of all slowness and I killed Abby”

So in ending this on-going saga, @Heavy I sincerely would love to see your build it sounds very interesting. I appreciate your point of view. I still however do not like the current maces and will not and I think that the fact there are over TWICE as many swords and a whole bunch more axes is infact proof enough that they should add some more.

I’m alt tabbing back in to start a new char right now. Have an amazing evening (or day wherever you guys are) <3

Alright that’s the best I got for now, I am totally wasted and played like shit and also realized my Music Audio Track was recorded as well but I can’t bother rerecording sorry, let me know if the copyright makes issues and the video unavailable. (I need some sleep now haha).

Couple Disclaimers:

  • The Shadow Beacon Character barely hit 300-400 corruption in its progression and its not pushed very far, that’s why the dmg is not super good yet.

  • The Event Horizon Char is not optimized with the new VK tree at all and I have not crafted any better Event Horizon. With the new +5% Flat Crit from the VK Passive Tree I could probably change soem stat priorities and gear around to get much much better results, but since this was a 1.1 char the spec was qutie different. Vengeance and Volatile Reversal are speeced just with the first few thigns that came to my mind and put them in. Can maybe be optimzed as well. Also the new ES Skil Spec Tree could warrant some respeccing of passives. (Obliteration was buffed massively but previously it was “only some flat damage” and Rifts of Decay Tiem Rot Duration buff could warrant goign for that as well without investing too much into Time Rot and yet get 100% more dmg from Final Hour, previously that required Mana Stacking Spammign ES or heavy Time Rot/Bleed Investment

Shadow Beacon:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qdw9vL1A

Event Horizon:
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o37DKrEo

There’s Healing Hands channelled node as well, always attacks at 4 per sec.