Currently, “Recolor” rule in Loot Filter not only recolors, but also apply “show” to the target items. That behavior has a few problems.
Unintuitive
When the game has 3 rules: “Show”, “Hide”, “Recolor” and filters are based on these rules layering I would expect “Recolor” rule to not affect visibility state, but just recolor target things that passes the other filters.
Otherwise, why don’t we just have “change color” setting in “Show” rule? Same result with less choices for the user.
It’s just illogical to have “Recolor” separated, but have it implemented as “Show” with one extra field which confuses.
Overcomplicates filters
One of the problems I faced is that I have to duplicate affix related “show” rules to “recolor” filter (for example if I wanna highlight good items Primalist items on top of “shattering rule” which is filtering stuff with good affixes already I have to duplicate the rule conditions, or combine “Emphasize and Recolor” - just impossible).
Suggestion
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It could be avoided by following the existing “layer based” rules approach while having “Recolor” rule only recoloring without managing visibility itself.
In the same time, some may prefer setting up specific “show” rules with recoloring - for that just extending “Show” with “color” field is good enough
With that, the current filters functionalities can be kept/migrated, and pure recoloring possibility added.
For example, you would be able to “hide all”, “show items with affixes for shattering”, “recolor Primalist with 3 tiers of 2 of All affixes” (the recolor would be applied to all affixes, but we won’t have unneeded affixes since hide/show rules managed what exactly is visible in general)
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Layer-based approach suggested above is quite hard to grasp as well, Just combining “Show” and “Recolor” in one rule should do the job
That expectation is nonsensical. What would be the point of a Recolor action that didn’t also include Show? You’d expect it to recolor invisible items?
It’s not unintuitive, you just didn’t think about it at all.
I understand that concern, let me concentrate on a “move recoloring option into ‘Show’ rule”
First thing to understand if we’re on the same page:
From your point of view are concepts of “Recolor items” and “Emphasize items (capitalize label)” similar? Or rather how similar they are?
To me, they are 99% the same in the current implementation. Just different ways of adding some visual styles to items based on set of conditions from the “right side” of a rule.
Thinking in that direction, why these similar styling options implemented differently (as an optional part of “Show” vs a separate type of rule)?
I cannot find reasoning. This inconsistency confused me a bit when I started playing a month ago.
Now, back to your question, are extra settings in “Show” rule are better than in “rule type dropdown”
Let’s try to exaggerate it, what if in future we have extra styling options like “Set Map Icon”, “Set Border Color”, “add shining effect” etc.
In that case, what would be better to have:
all that as options in “Show”
or a long list of rule types: “Show”, “Hide”, “Recolor”, “Set Map Icon”, “Set Border Color” etc.
Take into account that in each of this rule a specific set of conditions has to be set, so if you wanna apply a few styling rules to the same set of items - you have to duplicate conditions.
In my eyes, having customizable “Show” rule is way better - no need to duplicate conditions, easier to combine different styling options, all styling posibiltyi are availabel in one place (back to “emphasize vs recolor” inconsistent implementation)
P.S. I have a feeling that I’m missing something basic since everyone seems to be on a completely different page, thank you all for replies (hope I’ll get what is my gap)
This would make the filter more complicated, not less complicated.
With this approach you need to double check if items that you want to recolor are also specifically shown somewhere else or not hidden somewhere else.
Agree on the point that such recoloring my be hard to figure out. An option to put color into “Show” seems better after some thinking, so let me concentrate on it:
Showing is just showing the item in the color the game has by default
Recoloring is specifically recoloring something.
It’s strange for me to have it separated mainly because of “Emphasized” checkbox existence (see my reply above for more details) well, and in general I would like to see many more optional styling things all together including "“recoloring” to manage them easier.
This is a fair point and I think you explained things better now. What you want is only show/hide and when you choose show you then have the options to recolor and emphasize. This, I think, is a good suggestion.
Devs will eventually implement new features to the filter, maybe they’ll do this then?
I absolutely love the recoloring and emphasis because it allows me to set up strict lootfilters where I immediately know what slot, type, affixes etc I’m picking up in a glance.
When you already know how it works, it seems logical. But when you see “Show”, “Hide”, “Recolor”, it makes sense to ask yourself “Should I set a rule for showing, and then a rule for Recolor?” because they are separate rules.
I agree with op. To me Recolor looks exactly like an option of Show, not an entire separate kind of rule.
Either that, or rename it to “Show and recolor”. Either would prevent confusions, though placing recolor as an option inside show would make a cleaner UI.
