I don’t have a problem with this after all you have to make money somehow. That being said your playerbase is comprised heavily of basement mouth breathers who have low income so they’re losing their sh-t over this idea. So just scrap it which shows you listen to your playerbase. In it’s place what you do is to restrict inventory to like 2 items and then implement paid tabs a la poe. Everyone buys that sh-t. You have to make money somehow.
In any case i think LE is a great game, its like my 2nd favorite ARPG next to grim dawn. Keep up the good work and don’t listen to the haters.
Changing your monetization is fine, but then this will be the way to support the game, depending on pricing im okay with it being done this way, but i will stop buying supporter packs in the future.
Love the game, and i hope you keep more awesome content coming
The roadmap is a joke. Really, worth of a red shirt “Is this an off season April Fool’s joke?” moment. Saying just the number of seasons before the expansion without saying anything about what content will those seasons have is less than even EHG’s last roadmap. And, to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if the expansion is delayed and we end with more (or less) seasons before it’s released.
“But you were asking for a roadmap, well, here’s one!” - I never asked for this (inset Adam Jensen meme here). And this is such a flawed roadmap that it would have worked better as a side note (foot note?) to the expansion’s annoucement.
About the expansion: honestly, I (again, I) would have preferred a model similar to Diablo 4 or Grim Dawn, in which we buy expansions and those expansions come with a new class. Considering it’s a model used for other ARPGs, there’s at least a precedent. I understand some people are complaining about EHG’s “promise” that all of Last Epoch’s future content would be free, but IMO, that’s an impossible promise.
I’m starting to wonder if this is that tactic where you purposely release information you know people will hate so you can walk it back and people will be like “oh, they listened to us!”
The cost for an expansion was definitely not a popular announcement, but now it’s going to be “we hear you, you actually want to pay for expansions and not characters”, and by extension it’ll look, for lack of a better word, better to have the privilege of paying for an expansion.
We’ve historically been strongly against paid expansions because they introduce a bar to playing with other players, splitting the playerbase. With just the class paid, there’s never a bar to play with others.
The only way you can dig yourself out of this hole now is that all new Paradox classes are weak power-wise but very fun / different to play. Otherwise they are either P2W or there’s no incentive to buy them.
If there’s just the slightest of whiff of them being powerful, you get P2W labeled on LE forever. Then you’ve not split the playerbase, you have annihilated it.
Can I just say thank you for trudging through what has to be a bit of a demoralizing thread to respond to the people here? It’s such a small thing but having communication here for the first time in a long time is genuinely awesome, and I wish there was more of it.
I think if you had an employee or two dedicated to at least respond to your bugs / suggestions forums it would go a long way to curb this wave of negativity. I can’t speak for everyone but I find having assurances that your customers are being heard makes me less ptichforky.
After Paid class I stopped reading. Unfortunately this will never be something I support. As someone with close to 20k hours in POE, also a heap in POE 2. In fact a lot in Last epoch too. I have even been praising how good last epoch is to my friends and telling them all they should join me next season.
That isntantly died the moment a paid expansion or paided class is added. Just like diablo 4 the moment the expansion was released, the moment the paid class was relased, I have never touched the game again. I play all ARPGs. To be clear, this isn’t a hate thing on Last Epoch. If GGG released a Paid class or a paid expansion I would instantly never play that game again too.
It will be the same for last epoch.
POE 1 is by far the most money I have spent on any game, even when I do not want a supporter pack I will buy one to support GGG. It isnt always about what you get for you money. A lot of people will always buy a supporter pack just to support the company for doing right by the player base.
Although i dont but a supporter pack every league i buy around 1x $100 a year or so. Mainly because the devs keep doijg right by the community.
It is a real shame for me this has happened to Last Epoch. The game was finally starting to get more enjoyable. The endgame started to get better allowing for longer play time per season. Now it’s completely dead to me.
This isn’t crying about the cost of a game or the cost of something. It is about how a company treats their player base. Paid classes, paid DLC or expansions on an arpg is just not something that is good for an arpg.
It was a good run, I’m really disappointed by this.
Paid DLC in the form of a new class and you are also adding more paywall for newer players.
Forget me and a ton of players with that decision.
If you think this will save LE you are wrong, this will guarantee it’s failure because most players won’t just stop spending money with you, they will quit your game entirely and leave your game devoid of any players.
You were warned about this. We told you this is not acceptable behavior especially after the promises that were made previous.
I will not touch LE until the decision for ANY and ALL expansions, DLC, addition to the game, whatever you want to call it are FREE.
You can sell us cosmetics and that is it. Anything beyond that is utterly unacceptable and will result in you no longer having anyone interested in playing your game or spending money in your products. That is the price for greed.
PS: This post is directed at Krafton primarily. I know Krafton are the ones pulling the strings here because EHG knows better than to do this, they know the consequences far too well.
they’re not currently profitable.
they need to do SOMETHING
expecting them to go forward as things are is by far the most asinine take on this thread
the 2nd most asinine take is asking for a battle pass. tired of those things. most gamers are. no one actually wants a battle pass.
I do agree that paid classes are a bad move.
but people like you put them in a no win situation.
Thank you for replying. I don’t agree (I still think splitting the playerbase would be a smaller loss than paid classes), but I respect your point of view.
While I am not fully defending it because we don’t know prices etc, I do think there has been quite some overreacting…
Compare this to when Diablo 2: Lords of Destruction released. This was Content + Classes. Both Paid together.
Imagine splitting those up, content Free, classes paid with reduced price… seems similar, no?
Just wait it out before making these rash decisions?
You could indeed argue about the fact that there is a “gameplay” element that is pay-walled.
But isn’t that the same for every game?
Starcraft 2, had 2 major expansions, same story if you wanted to play with the new stuff: Pay.
Either way, until we know prices and more details, I feel neutral about this. With more to the happy side of “Yey more free content!”.
They had loads of times to win… years… and squandered it.
Kinda what happens when you put yourself into a unwinable situation repeatedly… someday people don’t give you the leeway to win. So you gotta get creative.
I get what you are getting at but those are pretty different times for games, and honestly I was a huge fan of anything and everything blizzard released. The IPs that I loved are all hollow shells of what they were growing up.
I never questioned paying for a D2 expansion because it was on the doorstep of an already complete game. My understanding of D3 was they intended to have an expansion and bailed, rolling it into Diablo Immoral, a machine that milks whales first and foremost. Then they passed off a necromancer class for a stupid price and had “incentives” that honestly cost them nothing like an extra stash page, as if that justifies the price. If d2 had separated the expansion and the classes I probably would have bought it anyways cause I was massive fanboy and in my teens.
Would I have done the same today? Absolutely not. One game I really loved started charging for tiny expansions and characters separately and I just uninstalled and never looked back, and that game was actually complete on release.
It’s easy to say gamers are entitled and you would be right, but I don’t think wanting a game they paid for to be what they were promised is that entitled, and it’s hard to swallow a paid for expansion or dlc when it’s in an incomplete state.
