Things in a kickstarter are promised features unless they have a funding goals list like LE did where a said goal needs to be meet for it to become a thing.
These are things that are said will be in the game or product at the time of full release in this case with LE leaving EA. Board games when it hits the shelves at ur local game store or target ect.
Where im from not having said things from kickstart in the fully released product is false advertising and is illegal in my country.
Technically those at least from where im from have legal grounds to get the thousands they spent on the kickstarter back since theres things in it not yet in LE.
Even more legal ground to stand on if they break what the kick starter said about one time payment to get the full last epoch experience. That includes expansions. Of which theh even by several devs stated over and over again for yrs we will not charge for future content.
Doesnt matter like i said. Its in the kickstarter it was advertised this way as all future content will be free. Even said over and over over the yrs. They sold thier game on this amoung other things
Thats false advertising that doesnt change even with them now being owned by krafton.
False advertising is illegal in my country and many other pretty sure EU as well
Dont sit there and defend EHG for breaking a promise if it ends up being paid content. Nor defend illegal advertising
False advertising mister US and A what about lets say Mcdonalds that burgers on picture and then u get some shit that dog would not eat is that false advertising as well im sure its illegal in US and A
If you check out the previous posts, Jude related to “expansion” as paid content, not only that, didn’t left the thing out of the table. You don’t use “season” and all of a sudden, it’s called expansion. You could be right though, but it is extremely unlikely.
Well, they could try harder with the cosmetics first. Outside supporter packs there not much to choose in the in-game cosmetic shop, or is low quality. I still have most of the extra coins from the supporter packs, because didn’t find anything interesting to spend them with.
And what’s the next one? Oh, paid expansions are not enough, We may start to introduce small harmless pay for convenience features… slippery slope.
I would not go that far that it would be pay to win at all they stated that even after they were bought by Krafton and as well later knows if it does that say goodby to 90+perc player base. yes I agree cosmetics are not very interesting maybe they could make a payed hideout and decoration or just hire more talented people for cosmetics
Yes, IMO, that’d be the “lied during hiring process” bit. Employers can be just as lax with the truth as well.
Not really. Not every job is a creative one where you can make a thing & get paid for it, you know what I do, then there’s lawyers & a bunch of other necessary but not particularly creative jobs.
Not per piece of thing they’re doing.
Relatively, yes. Though not in the US.
Did the coder do the art/etc or did they get a contractor to do it (I don’t know)?
That “reasonably expected outcome” doesn’t generally exist.
Not necessarily, it depends on the jurisdiction they work in & the company they work for. You can’t tar every single company in the world with the same brush, I don’t think even you would go that far.
Exactly, so why did you say that hires had no agency only to contradict it in the following paragraph?
But how would you do that without either giving them more pay (bonuses for example) or other benefits to act as an incentive to put more effort/etc in?
Yup, especially when you have non-variable responsibilities (family, rent/mortgage/etc) that can’t be easily dialled back when you’re going through a slow patch.
Really? Where? There’s plenty of stuff that doesn’t work, especially if you’re talking about the translations let alone bugs.
If it goes well, yes. If it doesn’t it’s likely to lead to the people who are buying the supporter packs to stop buying them.
Yes, as one can clearly see from the pack badges… Would you care to work out how much mine cost versus yours?
But what if it’s not heading in a good direction?
Kinda was, if you scroll down about a page under the goals.
I agree on one thing this is the biggest joke of a post gaming studio has done in a while I never so announcement of expansion with nothing to hipe the mood. Although I approve payed expansions for the sake of the games future I think that EHG has become a studio that doesnt know where is tail and where is head really amateur. Even thought as I said I have nothing against payed expansions given the circumstances that it has been promised that it will never happened and that game is one time pay and play indefinitely I think it is little bit clinic of Mike to do the streams and smile with community that has been around for years knowing what studio is preparing I didnt know its just little bit cinicle he is like politician Mike. If I was on his place at least I would tould I am gonna stop doing streams and then u guys can do what ever u want
I am sure game is not heading in a good direction almost no content in season 3 and season 1 player base that rapidly declines after few days, very shity cosmetics, a lot of bugs etc… but it is fully functional game yes the bugs they will be solved. That is why i am happy couse of the payed expansions im sure even people that are bitching the most will buy them if they turned out to be good this is just temporal anger it will pass in few days not to mention few months. EHG only job is to make a really good expansions and at least double amount of seasonal content im sure it will be fine if they manage
Yes, that’s the whole point of performance-pay. Even if you go for a hybrid solution with 90% fixed pay and a potential 10% from bonus if the monthly/quarterly/yearly performance review shows you delivered on every goal.
But occasionally, you fail goals because of outside circumstance.
A goal that your boss presented as achievable in 100 hours requires double the time (good luck in arguing ‘I told you so’ afterwards.) Or someone messed up and didn’t deliver prerequisites on time.
You believe that a paid expansion is going to save the game and that adding content is what the game needs to survive.
If this is the case then we should assume that people quit because there isn’t enough content to keep them entertained but if that is the case, why are most people quitting as soon as they hit empowered monoliths. This is information that EHG gave us before the 1.2 launch, it is 100% trustworthy information as to where the player bleed is.
I think you can agree that if you only just hit empowered monoliths, whatever seasonal content was added, you haven’t explore much of anything about it yet, at best you’ve just barely dipped your toes in it.
Clearly lack of content isn’t the big issue here. I’m not saying you aren’t right about it being an issue, it certainly is content light but it isn’t the cause of the problems.
The problems are to put it lightly, dying too often once you hit empowered monoliths. It’s oneshots galore, it’s lots of defensive layers that can only be taken care once you have highly rolled grand blessings, it’s having good gear. All of these are problems that are causing players to die very often and get done with the game.
When a player doesn’t plays a game for long, he doesn’t feels it’s worth to give the developers money because they aren’t able to keep the player interested. You are right that keeping the player’s attention and engaged is what the company needs to make money, you are wrong about the methods.
Adding paid content doesn’t fixes the issues with the game and more to the point, players were promised that there would be no paid content other than MTX. No matter how you want to devalue this. This is legally binding and can in fact be taken to court. If you buy an Iphone and you get a nokia, you can demand your money back and take the seller to court for the same reason. What you were promised and what was sold to you was different.
But let’s not stop there. This is a type of predatory monetization that companies like Blizzard and EA do and we don’t accept they do it. Why would we allow EHG and Krafton who owns it now to do it? This is unacceptable predatory monetization. You either charge for the game and expansions or you charge for MTX, not the both!
Also don’t say that it has to be for the business model to be viable, that is not true, you look at PoE and it’s plenty viable with only MTX and some stash tabs. You don’t pay for any game content or even the base game and it is a commercial success.
If you keep your players engaged and wanting to play your game for a 3 to 4 weeks per season, you are guaranteed to sell enough MTX (supporter packs are MTX that are sold in a bundle) to keep the game viable. EHG is failing on keeping the players interested because the game has glaring issues that they have refused to address, hence the state of things.
Now, let’s ignore the legality of the matter. How many people do you think are going to play the game if they have to pay for the expansion? I can guarantee that not even a third of the player base will buy it and because that is not going to fix the engagement issues, on the long term even less and less people will give EHG money.
Lets add to that how many people are going to be outraged (and rightfully so) that they were lied to. What do you think is going to happen to the reviews of this game? I wouldn’t be surprised if the review went all the way down to overwhelmingly negative. How do you think that will do for attracting new players even more so when they read the reviews and see that the company lie to it’s paying customers just to get more money?
The issues with the game and the attempt at selling an expansion are beyond small and will only make sure the game dies very quickly. The only way to save the game is for Krafton to understand that they will have to lose some money now, force the Devs to fix the actual issues that are killing the game and then this will become a marketable game. But if they bury their heads in the sand much like you are right now, there is only one way this is going to go and it isn’t the way ANYONE wants it to go.
To be fair, in addition to bugs in the game, the forum also seems to be bugged as I cannot display all of my badges for supporter packs purchased. Could be the same case for others too.
Not even remotely the same thing. One is legally binding the other isnt.
Whe. U tell ur customers ur 35 bucks gives u all future content with ur purchase. Of which they in fact have. That is a binding contract. Legally especially where im from
Thats is false advertising
Its no different from (example here its not happening) borderlands 4 u buy the super deluxe edition which gives u all future DLC with it. They then go release that content then turn around and say nope u bought the super well now u habe to buy that content.
Thats $&%^ing illegal. That also still applies whether or not EHH sold to krafton. That does.t change this
Stop trying to make excuses not the firet time u habe come to devs defenses.
I highly doubt they ever said they will never charge for future content, no dev would put that limitation on themselves. Even POE while they’ve never charged for content they have charged for early access. Fall of Oriath expansion and POE2 they just came with points to spend in the shop equal to the amount that was paid. Pretty sure Fall of Oriath was the only time they called it an expansion too as that added 6 acts and changed a lot about the game. They would probably do the same thing here
Would you care to work out how much mine cost versus yours?