Last Epoch is not in the top 100 games on Steamstats

I have like 3500 steam hours and countless hours of maplestory, would I say people should play it? probably not unless they are the type of gamer it caters to.

I have that many hours because Ive played it over a long duration. Number of hours in say pre online mode for LE id recommend way more then the same once online became a thing. offline somehow also got more bugs and weird hiccups when they did finally create the online servers. I enjoy playing online for potential ladders/partys etc. But I can say that each hour spent was not equal. And that if you played my amount of hours in the current patch, Id give it a mixed.

Tbh steam might do well to introduce a mixed rating. A rating that counts towards both positive and negative. That way if you have 50 negative, 100 positive and 100 mixed, you have 150 negative vs 200 positive, or 57% positive. if instead all the mixed rating people wouldnt vote, it would be 50 vs 100, for a total of 150 which would be 66% positive. but thats a whole can of worms that we can talk about for hours on how binary rating systems are trash.

I currently have a good review on the game cause Im not mean enough to randomly make it negative as its not THAT bad, but my current review would most certainly be mixed.

We need leaderboards here (not arena). Maybe a corruption one, or a circle of fortune points one, a boss ladder one for c2, or come up with a new game mode. I’ve been playing D3 instead just because of that. Not because d3 is better (it’s getting realllllllly long in the tooth) but it offers activities that keep me engaged. Every class has leaderboards, with different builds. You collect the gear for them (that takes time) augment said gear (that takes time). That’s just a lot of fun to me and people who play these kinds of games.

Does it? Every season I got all sets in a day or two at most. It’s even easier because each season they give you one for free with barely any difficulty.

Does it? Especially with “arena” it’s not too long until you have all legendary augmented gear and a primal to boot. A week at most.

D3 is fun for casual playing. It’s good for what it’s aimed at. But you quickly get the gear and all you have left to do is spam GRs over and over again.

I’m not trying to bash you for playing D3. I’ve played it as well and not even that long ago. But in terms of things to do in endgame it’s rather limited. Especially because the majority of players don’t care at all about leaderboards (I mean, now that there are less players around maybe most do care).

its a lot like LE. Example: you are a squirrel master, you need the hat. That hat you get has set stats, but are in a range. Are the stats on your hat max? Do they have LP? Can you use an “average” hat and compete against the guy who has a 3 or 4 LP one with top rolls and a perfect slam? Then repeat that with every item you wear. If you can get the one you want in a day, then you should be streaming your play and be rank 1.

As far as augmenting goes, the chance of getting an echoing scream is 5% per GR you run. Each GR should take you sub 3 minutes. Every 20 GRs, if you empower the grifts you get a lvl 100 gem in addition to the echoing scream which can give up up to a 125 aug. You need to augment 13 items. This is PER BUILD you compete in. That’s a big time sink.

You can do the “oh, I played 20 hours straight, got rank 1 and then drop the mic” but the season doesn’t end after opening weekend.

My goal is to get GR150 solo in a few builds, maybe score a few rank 1s, and enjoy myself.

this is what my current neco looks like
Apache222#1831 - Community - Diablo III (blizzard.com)

It’s not top 100 because it’s a bad game.

And, of course, from the point of view of someone fanatical for the game, any criticism (regardless of how constructive it is) is not just wrong, but also evil, and should not be allowed to exist; and the players making the criticism should just leave the game and the community.

I wonder if those players, who almost worship this game, will ever realize how much they hurt it - because pushing away everyone but those who are fanatical is going to end with a game very, very far from the 100 games on SteamStats.

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I said I would get all the sets in less than a day (for the class I’m starting with, which was almost always DH) and pretty much fully BiS gear in a week for one of the builds. Not get BiS in a day.
It’s not that hard to maximize stuff in D3. And the power creep makes it so that it’s not hard to run GR 150 with at least one of the sets. In fact, with some of the sets, you don’t even need fully optimized gear. Tal Rasha’s was like that for some time.

Yeah, that’s fair. Honestly, once I played for a week and reach GR150 with a DH set I was pretty much tired of it already. I think the last year I played D3 I joined each new season, played DH until I reached GR150 and then didn’t bother trying other classes.

Again, I’m not trying to shame you or saying anything negative about the way you enjoy D3. As long as you’re having fun that’s all that matters. I’m just pointing out that not everyone enjoys the D3 model.

I don’t think there’s a single user in this forum that applies to what you describe. You have many players, myself included, that like most things about the game. But I don’t think I’ve seen one that vehemently defends the game and not have some posts stating things they dislike/wish were changes. Myself included.

However, there are a few that only have bad things to say about the game. Case in point, the guy that posted before you. Not a single post saying anything positive about the game.

Anyway, to get back on point, are you saying that there are no dishonest reviews on steam? Because your point seems to be that white knights don’t like critics, so every single critic is valid.
Which is ironic, because what the “white knights” have been saying in this thread is that some are and some aren’t. And you’re the only one talking in absolutes.

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Where have I said that?

I wonder if people who type out pseudo-intellectual, strawmanny claptrap would stop doing it if they had the same level of insight about themselves as they claim to have about “white knights” and “fanatics”.

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He showed you some reviews which weren’t good or constructive. To which you replied that his point was that since some were bad none were good.
Since that obviously wasn’t what he was saying (I don’t even know where you inferred that from) I said you missed the point. To which you replied, again, with the white knight argument.

So, the “white knights” were saying that some (or most) of the critics are bad or dishonest. Not one of them said that every single critic was bad. You’re disagreeing with them by saying that to them ANY critic is bad/evil. So you don’t agree with their point that some critics are bad. Your argument seems to be that only white knights consider them bad critics.
Since, I reiterate, all they’ve said was that some were bad/dishonest. Not all. You were the only one talking in absolutes in this discussion.

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I know the D3 model is not for everyone. It would, however, keep the population from bottoming out. I would much rather play LE at this point if there was similar options. That’s 1 more player at least :smiley:

For example I play a game for several hundrets of hours and they revamp it completely and call it their 2.0 version of the game. I played said game as a time waster from time to time and it accumulated a lot of hours.Then I wrote a bad review because heir 2.0 revamp was like killing the patient with the cure.

There are so much reasones why somone has xyz hours in a game and leaves a bad review. That’s totaly understandable.

I spent thousands upon thousands of hours in WoW and I still think it’s a trash tier game on a personal level :man_shrugging: . It’s most likely still one of the best MMO games out there and I played it for a long time and I would still don’t recommend it.

I can see a ton of reasons why people played something and don’t reccomend it.

It definitely got stale pretty quick…

Not really.

I have two motivations for not recommending the game right now. One, because I think it will get better, and someone playing it now will play a game that I think is not complete/ready for prime time. Basically, wait and see.

Two, not giving it a recommendation and stating why I felt I couldn’t give it a recommendation is the clearest way I can think of to tell EHG what I think is wrong, and that it’s serious.

Look at SL0PPY’s post. His first post on this forum is to tell us that the game got stale right quick.

took too long to fix basic things like tooltips.

maybe next cycle if ppl comeback and enough things were fixed. never know

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it looks like endgame experience is the #1 thing they are focusing on overall in their timeline. By 1.3 I think people can no-life this game for a full cycle and keep the population at a decent level.

Completely normal in this genre. The longer a season lasts, the fewer are left at the end because many are finished and waiting for the next season.

Here are current player numbers from other Games.

LE: 4567
PoE: 18770
Grim Dawn: 2019
Lost Ark: 62253 (How many Bots ?)
Torchlight Infinite: 2148

Lost Ark: 62253 (How many Bots ?)

Can’t slate Lost Ark, brilliant game.
All the Longevity of an MMO with the action of an ARPG crammed into a package of fun and adventure.
Amazing combat and an abundance of endgame activities.
It got a bad rap from streamers a few weeks after release but let’s face it they are paid by companies to Promote & Traduce games.

Lost Ark has been in the Top 100 since it’s release 2 years ago and deserves it.

Microtransactions like “Pay to unlock more hero slots” put a bit of a dampener since all the classes are unique making a player want to try them all; but this Forum loves PoE and playing that without buying stash tabs is a painful experience too.

Bots in Lost Ark arn’t really an issue anymore, that was many moons ago.
Amazon just bans people by the tens of thousands now for the smallest infractions regardless of whether they are Whales or not so the community grew weary of purchasing gold.
There are a few but they exist in any online game with a currency system.

LE does not deserve to be Top 100 yet, it can do with a bit of direction and I hope it does end up booking a spot there, but not yet.

Because nobody does that. It’s called cherry picking.

You’ve got a classy argument there.