That would be awesome! WOuld be nice if you could expand the echo web even further.
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Or with every reset the +corruption also adds flat base stability to all maps
If its already like this then increase that amount would work too.
I cant deal with 40+ maps for just one end boss especially for farming 
I think this is also a good idea and tbh, I thought that corruption would do something like that but in fact it doesnt do much except making echoes more difficult.
I have played for like 10h since the release and this way, farming Empowered Monoliths isnt fun, it just takes too long.
Does anyone know what happens if you die to a Monolith Quest boss in the new Monolith layout?
Do we lose 4 echoes worth of stability, or a larger amount?
Or do we not lose any & get to have another crack at the quest immediately?
From memory you loose some stability so if you’re still above the required amount you can have another crack at it immediately.
no more echoes penalties. But if you fail once, then you lost your chance to pick the award ball/bag.
There was a message from EHG_trasochi dev on reddit:
Stability gain increases with both corruption and how far an echo is from the centre of the web. Because of this, as long as you’re killing the shade to increase corruption, or running echoes far from the centre your stability will go up much faster. For example at 200 corruption echoes far from the centre of the web can give 75 stability, so you only need around 18 of them of them to unlock the final quest echo, which is much less than pre patch, and it can go higher than that.
Even if you don’t increase corruption by much, as long as you’re doing echoes further out from the start (e.g. ones giving around 45 stability) it’ll be as fast as it is pre-patch. It’s just the initial run of an empowered timeline where it’s particularly slow.
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Thank you for sharing this information but the logic is a bit flawed. 200 corruption means 100% more monster health and damage instead of 50% in Empowered Monoliths. It would take much longer to clear the echoes. You will probably die more often. Furthermore there are echoes with a set time like the Arenas and Beacons which you cannot “speed clear”.
Curious what the new meta will be regarding the new monoliths. I will play some more and see how it feels after a couple of days.
That’s for the normal monoliths, not the quest echoes that Zathras was asking about.
Also just noticed @Zathras, B5 was my favourite tv show & Zathras was an awesome character.
Not sure how it’s been for you but in my play last night I already noticed mobs were hitting harder in empowered monoliths than in 0.8.1. I was gobsmacked getting killed a few times on my 6K ward sorcerer. I can’t even imagine what it will be like at 200 corruption.
You need to kill the shade multiple times to speed it up. i kill him 3 times a run - heres some pics
second one i made an error and killed orobyss which lowered corruption, first pic is after the rahyeh kill and second is prior to lagon…who i cannot kill due to game crashing on death currently
Thats what Synthesis League had of POE.
I bring that up since this system looks similar. It is only less flexible then the POE one and different in its approach of progressing.
In poe you just had 1 web and could expand with tiles that you could gather. That was really cool. You even had bosses on the web.
I have to agree that progression feels incredibly slow, even with a few Shade kills.
I think that some of this is related to the sheer number of different monoliths that we have now. I feel like that volume fit the old system well but doesn’t fit the new system quite as nicely. In my head I’m multiplying the time it takes times the number of monoliths we have now.
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Also times the number of alts you’d like to try.
Its absolutely horrible, I was already bored with the game before 8.2, after 8.2 I dont even wan to play at all.
My main is lv100 and all the characters I play are in empowered timelines, I have no desire to spend 2 days on a timeline when theres a 99% chance im not even going to get the blessing I want or get it at its lowest possible value.
Between this and the broken wengari spires and moon spires I just dont even feel like bothering. Alot of this positive feedback are from all the people running white maps still, when they get to the empowered versions im sure their tune will change.
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Between this and the broken wengari spires and moon spires I just dont even feel like bothering.
Wengari Spires are doing way more damage than intended and already has been corrected internally. This is the first time I am hearing about Moon Spire, is it also hitting harder than other spires?
I think everyone is jumping the gun a little bit with these changes. Yes, they are more grindy, but the game is being developed in a way that will support it long-term. When LE finally implements their seasonal model, they want the game to be PLAYABLE for the entire length of the season or league, which will be several months long. If everyone has the ability to progress through the entire monolith in just a few days, they’re going to dump the game in a week or two after a new league releases. People need goals to work towards. The best model IMO is a lot of short-term goals, some grindy medium-tier goals, and a choice few long-term ultra grindy goals. I am hoping that EHG takes this kind of approach when it comes to the final product so that people who are dedicated enough won’t get bored, but it also leaves casual players feeling like they can still progress. This is kind of a sweet spot that is ultra-hard to achieve, and I feel like right now we are looking at just 1 piece of the puzzle that will be the eventually finished end game of LE.
I’m not sure where I stand on the new monolith, but my advice is to give it some time. The monolith questline should take a few weeks or more of casual play to complete, it shouldn’t be done in a few days. It should be an investment, otherwise, there are zero reasons to stick around. I have a pretty big problem with this “Everything should be accessible and I deserve x” sentiment when it comes to games nowadays. When it comes to grindy ARPGs, you have to be prepared to not see some content or to not achieve a full build without some dedication. Casual 3-5 hours a week players should not be progressing to the end of the end game questline quickly, because if it’s that easy to progress then the 30+ hours a week players are just going to get bored.
There is a sweet spot, I don’t think the current state of the monolith is it, but give it a chance and see how it feels in a few weeks.
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As you said the Wengari do WAAAAY too much damage, plus that obnoxious extra shrapnel blast after you move out of the ground circle is just silly but my issue with the moon spires is their rate of fire.
Moon spires have ground circles on my maps every 2-3 seconds, I cant even open my inventory and to make matters worse I main a channeled build so it just ruins gameplay for me.
Overall im just really dissapointed with the patch, it just became dramatically more grindy and I now have even worse crafting RNG. 307 hours played and I go 6-7 rl days between a new gear piece.
If I get 3 Moon Spires I get massive frame drops every few seconds which is worse than any damage. Cant even look at your skill tree/inventory or do anything for a moment with triple spires hitting you - I level’d from picking up books last night, entered a new monolith and walked 1 step, Pressed P to put a point on and died immediately as I didnt realise 3 Wengari spires were about to drop 2k damage on me - I dont feel its balanced 1 spire is more dangerous than Orobyss
Also the biggest issue in relating to monolith progression if you had a character that was up to 20 monoliths and 2 quests done, after the patch you got reset back to 0 progression with both quests still done with the game remembering how many monoliths you cleared before this stability even came in.
I think it took 54 echoes to clear a single level 90 zone which was 20+34
Feels like you encounter Sirus in PoE more than a single timeline boss in this game now
The only goal to work towards is blessing farming and due to the way they are also designed theres only a few you even want to do, I dont care about finding more belt shards so I will never do the Void timeline with Hargon which I cant even remember the name as theres no reason to know it
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Getting upgrades needs to be this difficult because when trading is introduced, access to upgrades will be WAY easier
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At 300 hours played do you expect you should still be getting upgrades quickly? When I hit 300 hours played in a PoE league I am pretty much only getting upgrades through trading and it’s like a massive cost per piece.
I think the curve is a little too harsh but pretty close to how it should be if you take into account the future of the game and how trading will impact it